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[edit] Musicians

Some people behind anonymous IPs have been adding names of artists. Since I'm not all that conversant with bhangra, particularily the scene in the UK, I can't tell if these are the major artists or if they're someone's brother-in-law. I hope these names are legit.

I rearranged in alphabetic order (easier to read and find that way) and turned them into links. All the red links are stubs and need to be filled out. That would be worthy project. Zora 03:02, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I concur Khirad^talk 22:50, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I have fixed the names that are actually popular and removed the small time artists. It is ridiculous that somebody puts an artist with only one album released a month ago on the page. I have kept my personal bias aside. For example, I personally think Daler Mendi and has twisted bhangra into a bollywood mockery but I have kept him on there along with others. As of right now 95% of the list is accurate. However, as this gets more popular you will see people flooding their names in this list. - Jatt November 27, 2005

I won't stand against your edits, but be prepared to defend them if other folks protest. It would be good if we had a stated criterion. More than one album? As for me, I'm an ignorant gori and I like Daler. He does "honky-tonk" music -- reminds me a little of zydeco <g>. Zora 19:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't know what the page currently looks like because it keeps switching between my legendary artists and notable. But the list I compiled is not personal opinion. These guys are known as legends in the game and world renowned. There is no question to the contribution and record sales of these people. You can do your own personal research on everyone I including in the legendary list / world renowned list. The difference with Bhangra artists is that they don't stop singing. They legends are well in their 50s and going about. If the list was reverted back to what it was then this page is still a joke with people putting any name left and right. Are you an editor of wikipedia or just another user? Names like Kuldip Manak, Gurdass Mann are like naming Elvis, Beatles & etc. I can personally justify everyone single one. There is not much controversy in Bhangra when it comes to legends. The only thing is that now everyone is coming up with an album in the UK and they think they are stars. - Jatt November 28, 2005

OMG..who took out all the great artists that i entered here...where is "mattar paneer"... damn you....anywayz i am of the opinion that way too many indian artists are left on the list....someone has a bias against Great Britain...darkies...put those great artists back on please.... khatri january..colddddd

[edit] Etymology

It would be useful to have a discussion of the origins of the word "bhangra". Many people seem to believe it comes from bhang, an intoxicating drink made from marijuana but others say it derives from "bhag" which is a traditional Punjabi dance [1]. --Lee Hunter 13:50, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I, myself was wondering about this. Both make sense. Many sources refer to it deriving from the dance[2], and given the natural relationship between music and dance this is likely. But intoxication is also a common metaphor in the Persian/Indian world, and the similarity with bhaṅg (ਭੰਗ), while it may be a misleading similarity, it is still too close for me to dismiss without further study. Khirad^talk 22:49, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Featured In

I'm intrerested in bhangra, but I don't know enough about it. It'd be cool to have a list of movies it has been featured in, so some users can make that connection. Didn't the wedding scene from the film "Bend It Like Beckham" have a bhangra group? --bakuyaku 14:37, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if it was a cameo of a notable group, but it was certainly bhangra, especially since the movie was about a Punjabi family. The movies bhangra is in would be perhaps too numerous to mention though as it is very popular to incorporate in Bollywood - especially the patriotic movies which always have at least one Sikh, if not a Sikh regiment. Such songs like "Shava Shava" from K3G (Kabhi Khushi Khabi Gham), etc., might be notable mentions though. Khirad^talk 22:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Shahmukhi?

I added the Gurmukhi. To avoid any appearances of bias towards India I also wished to add the Shahmukhi but was uncertain of its spelling. My guesses are: بهنگڑا، بهنگڑه, I am mainly unsure about the final -a. Also what about adding commentary on commonly heard Punjabi vocabulary used in bhangra. I myself don't know if others think it would be useful, but the interjections like 'shava' and 'balle' are notable features anyone of non-Indian origin who has listened to bhangra might notice. Khirad^talk 23:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of notable artists

Even though it said "alphabetical by last name", various editors have been reorganizing it by first name. OK, I give. By first name. That is easier to alphabetize -- even if it might make it hard for people to find artists, if they remember the last but not the first name.

Some names seem to have been dropped during the re-organization. Could you please notify other editors if you're planning to drop someone? I don't mean vanity additions, some schoolboy in the UK putting his own name in the list, but people with actual albums or songs out. But dropping Daler Mehndi -- that seems like a criticism of his music rather than removal of a vanity edit.

Now I realize that by the "album or song out" criterion we might have hundreds of names on the list. Maybe we need a stricter criterion. Let's discuss it here. But just dropping artistes you don't personally like, if anybody is doing that, isn't OK. Zora 19:45, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Classification of bhangra artistes

Jatt, it's OK to categorize artistes by the period in which they were active, or the country in which they mainly perform. However, it is NOT OK to classify them by how "good" you think they are. That's your private judgment and you can't impose it on the article. I have reverted your changes to the point just before you started re-organizing them into "legendary" and "notable", and I'd ask that you stick to time periods and countries. If you're considering other categories, discuss them here first, please. Zora 20:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ego entries

Dear all, I am a fan of Bhangra and am a user of Wikipedia. Some of the artists on the list are a joke. For example, DJ Stormz is a little known radio DJ but he is listed as a producer. As far as I know, he has never put out an album or a single song in the market. The fact that he may be working on an album does not justify him being on there. Then there is also Panjabi by Nature who despite putting out several albums has not yet had a notable hit song. Who are Desi Elite Sounds? I'm guessing their DJ's, not producers. My point is, to an outsider reading this page, they will be getting the wrong idea about whose who in Bhangra. Can people please use common sense when adding artists? I find it rather sad that artists are using Wikipedia to satisfy their own egos. - Anon Bhangrafan, 14th April 2006

I'm one of the few editors who keeps tabs on this article, and I'm just not up on the UK bhangra scene. Nor do I have time to research all the additions to the lists. If you could step forward and prune the lists, that would be great. Perhaps we need a policy re notability here? Um, if no Wikipedia article on the person, the entry goes? Articles get some scrutiny as to notability. So just go through and wipe out all the red links. Then if there are any blue links that look dicey, put those articles up for deletion. If only one person stands up for the article (the person who wrote the vanity article, presumably) then the article will go, the link will turn red, and can be pruned. Does this seem reasonable to you? Zora 11:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm going to do it

If no article, no name in list. Article must have at least one reference showing that the artist is notable. Zora 22:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

:) I've been through them once myself - some of the red links are certainly well known Punjabi artists (Hans Raj Hans, Apna Sangeet and some of the others). However, others I'm not too sure about so I left all the red links in. I did double check all the artists on Google and I removed some [3] but only the ones I was definately sure of. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 23:12, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Gotham Racing 3

Bhangra is a music selection in Project Gotham Racing 3.

[edit] The article Jassi Sidhu needs to be expanded.

The article Jassi Sidhu needs to be expanded. The article B21 is probably okay, but I would appreciate it if someone could have a look at it. If there are articles on either B21 or Jassi Sidhu in other language Wikipedias that aren't already shown in these articles, could you please add links to the other-language articles? I rescued the Jassi Sidhu article from being speedily deleted, but I'm having trouble finding sources that I can use to expand it. TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 22:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Um, when did all the artistes disappear?

We used to have a long long list of musicians, bands, producers ... they all just disappeared. When did that happen? Why? I know it was a pain to keep it cleared of advertising and vandalism, but it did have some information value. Zora 02:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

It was deleted by Sukh about a month ago. In the edit summary, Sukh said that it was unmaintainable. If you want more detail, I'd suggest leaving a message on [[User talk:Sukh|Sukh's talk page. RedRollerskate 20:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

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