User:Benjaminstewart05/uberac 9/associated discussion

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Important - Before reading this, please realise that it was quite a while ago and I didn't understand wikipedia at all, I was making very silly mistakes. I don't act in this way on wikipedia any more (I hope) and I don't make silly mistakes like this anymore (I hope) - Although I do have quite a bit to learn.

[edit] Uberac 9

Please reinstate the uberac 9 article, they have an audience of well over a thousand - up to 2000, and are an up and coming band - you better have a very good reason!!! oooh yes! Benjaminstewart05 17:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

(btw I started writing this before receiving your message on my talk page) I deleted that article as it doesn't meet Wikipedia notability criteria for bands. I've noticed that you seem to be one of the few editors of Portsmouth Grammar School that actually wants to improve that article, so I wanted to thank you for that. However there are still parts of that article that aren't really that notable for anyone outside of the school. Please remember that whilst Wikipedia is is not a paper encyclopedia, not everything is considered suitable for inclusion. Please feel free to ask me any further questions. Petros471 18:04, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I quote from the critera for groups and ensembles:

"Important note: Failing to satisfy the notability guidelines is not a criterion for speedy deletion. An article that fails to even claim that the subject of the article is notable can be speedy deleted under criterion A7, however. A mere claim of notability, even if contested, may avoid deletion under A7 and require a full Article for Deletion process to determine if the subject of the article is notable."

I claim that they are notable and that they will one day achieve success, so really I am doing wikipedia a favour by actually creating an article on them, so that in the future (if it isn't destroyed by people like you), it will be here.

Please reinstate or I will continue creating the article and we wouldn't want an edit war would we now.

A very angry - Benjaminstewart05 18:08, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Here's the deal: I knew perfectly well before I deleted the article that you wouldn't be happy, however as an administrator on Wikipedia I've signed up to help keep it tidy, do some janitorial type work etc. That article did not assert notability, and to be honest I'm not sure it can at this point in time. Remember that official policy states that original research is not allowed, so just writing about something you know about isn't enough for it to stay on Wikipedia. Now I could undelete the article and list it on AfD, but I advice you that it probably won't be pleasant for you. If you still aren't satisfied then feel free to request a Deletion review. Petros471 18:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

An edit war it shall be. Benjaminstewart05 18:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Please note that edit warring disruptive, and is a blockable offence. Petros was perfectly justified in deleting the article, as it does not meet our notability criteria for bands, but meets our speedy deletion criteria for articles. As Petros says above, you can always request undeletion if you disagree.--Shanel ^§ 18:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

That's right get a friend in - well, a good way to end this, and keep a perfectly good wikipedian, is by not deleting the article. And if you must block me, it will be the most stupid thing you have ever done - apart from deleting the article in the first place. Sometimes I wonder about the sanity of some people - Just keep it and stop being a pedant. Benjaminstewart05 18:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Blocking you is the last thing I want you to do- I really do want you to contribute to Wikipedia, but it's already been explained why that article can't stay (and if you disagree with that how to dispute it properly). As for bringing my friends in - all I did was point the situation out to some other admins to check that I was doing the right thing, and they agreed with me. Petros471 19:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I see that I'm going to have to delete the page again. As I said before if you dispute the deletion take it up at deletion review. Alternatively, if you ask me to, I'd be happy to undelete it and list it at WP:AfD to allow the community to decide (you can have your say there as well). I'd even be happy if you wanted the article in your userpage. Now before do anything else about this, please review your options: you can go ranting at me on my talk page, but I'm not quite sure what that would achieve; you can take up one of the options I've given you above, if you believe Wikipedia should have this article; or you can simply get on with welcoming new users, and doing good solid article/talk page edits like I know you're capable of doing (hint: I'd pick that one). So what will it be? Petros471 15:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

You really are a very big geekopedant - Ok, it won't go on wikipedia proper, and it won't go to a vote because you and your friends will try and block it. So, could you tell me how to create a seperate area on my user page for it. Therefore it will still be accesible on wikipedia to those who may want to know more about it, i.e it's audience.

But tell me if you put it on WP:AfD - If you do, I want to defend it.

Benjaminstewart05 16:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

To create a user subpage for the article just go to User:Benjaminstewart05/Uberac 9 and edit away. As you've re-created the article before I assume you have a local copy of it, so is there any need for me to restore a version and move it there for you? Also please note despite you calling me a "a very big geekopedant" (never heard of a geekopedant before- far more original than most words chucked in my direction!), I am 'bending' this part of the WP:NOT policy, so don't say I didn't do anything for you... As long as you don't re-create the article in the main namespace (i.e. where all articles go) I won't put it up on AfD, but if I did, then I would have let you know. And btw, thanks for re-wording the message heading- will look a lot more boring in my archive but shows you're willing to take a step back :) Petros471 16:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for finding a good solution to a difficult problem - appeasement does work even if it caused WW2.

Benjaminstewart05 16:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)