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If someone posts something here, this is my talk page; I'll clean it up if I want it cleaned up. Thank you! User:Beatgr

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[edit] Wikipedia notes

After 3 or 4 WikiBots that seem to have a mind of their own -- of both writing "new versions of history" and censorship of ideas of the "bots" creator -- User:Carnildo being the most noticable. Now an adminsitrator and is now against censorship (what a change in attitude). This web article by Larry Sanger, one of the Wikipedia co-founders, Wikipedia credibility & management problems-- summarizes the current problems very well. Some respectable institutions have informed students -- they now discourage Wikipedia for source material.

I am reducing my volunteer contributions and time to Wikipedia. My limited time can be better spent with more rewarding projects and initatives. Too bad, seems like a nice idea - but Wikipedia is attracting too many "Spin Control" editors - and will not receive my financial support. g. beat 16:12, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Sadly, some the best people (and contributors) -- Draeco being one -- have also left, taken a long break or reduced their contributions. I think I will start a list -- maybe an article of the 'top Wikipedia abusers, bullys and vandals' (likely already exists). g. beat 02:28, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Illinois State Routes WikiProject created!

Hello! I just wanted to let you know that I've created Wikipedia:WikiProject Illinois State Routes so that all Illinois state route articles can be standardized. Let me know what you think on its talk page. Thanks! —Rob (talk) 18:25, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Hello Beatgr and welcome to Wikipedia! I'm glad you've chosen to join us. This is a great project with lots of dedicated people, which might seem intimidating at times, but don't let anything discourage you. Be bold!, explore, and contribute. If you want to learn more,

The following links might also come in handy:

Float around for awhile until you find something that tickles your fancy. One easy way to do this is to hit the random page button in the navigation bar to the left. You can write new articles, add to existing ones, or edit any and all pages that appear. There are also many great committees and groups that focus on particular jobs. My personal favorite stomping grounds are Wikipedia:Translation into English and Wikipedia:Cleanup for sloppy articles, but they may not interest you. Finally, the Wikimedia Foundation has several other wiki projects that you might enjoy more, but Wikipedia is the most popular by far.

There are a few crucial points to keep in mind when editing. Be civil with users, strive to maintain a neutral point of view, and show good etiquette like signing your comments with four tildas like this: ~~~~ If you have any more questions, always feel free to ask me anything on my talk page or ask the true experts at Wikipedia:Help desk. Again, welcome! Draeco 21:48, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Final state highway naming conventions debate

Beatgr, your participation is welcome in the Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll. Please give your input as to the process by 23:59 UTC on August 8. Regards, physicq210 02:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Issue debated and vote resolved -- now archived. 30 October 2006

[edit] WIUW entry

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as WIUW, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article appears to be a direct copy from http://www.tristatesradio.com/aboutus.html. As a copyright violation, WIUW appears to qualify for speedy deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. WIUW has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message. If the source is a credible one, please consider rewriting the content and citing the source.

If you believe that the article is not a copyright violation, or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under the GFDL, you can comment to that effect on Talk:WIUW. If the article has already been deleted, but you have a proper release, you can reenter the content at WIUW, after describing the release on the talk page. However, you may want to consider rewriting the content in your own words. Thank you, and please feel free to continue contributing to Wikipedia. Calton | Talk 02:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

From the text of the notice on the original article:

This item is unquestionably a copyright infringement taken from [URL], with no assertion of permission.

From the notice on your talk page, above:

If the article has already been deleted, but you have a proper release, you can reenter the content at WIUW, after describing the release on the talk page.
"Because I said so", post facto, fails twice to deal with both explicitly defined requirements.

From the notices on MY talk page:

1) I am not an admin. I did not delete your page or article, nor did I block you. I may have, at the very most, suggested or urged deletion of pages or articles but I have no power or ability to do so on my own. I'm just an editor.
2) This also means, of course, I cannot undelete your page/article, nor unblock you. I can, however, offer you a cookie.

Which mean that the only thing in your message that fits policy, guidelines, procedure, or the dictionary ("vandal"? please) is "from Japan. Try again. --Calton | Talk 05:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

You made an assumption that is INCORRECT. The WIUS web page came after the Wikipedia submission. IF you would have looked the history and dates -- you would have seen that. They copied and added to their web page from Wiki !!

I would vote in favor of having you blocked from editing and marking future deletions -- which is also permitted in Wiki policy. Usually comments are "posted first to talk" on the article or recent contirbutors -- WHICH YOU DID NOT DO. You are playing a 'fast game' of marking articles for 'speedy deletion'. Know how may links you also broke and created more work for the radio station volunteers? I see you are not a member of that volunteer group. User:Beatgr 05:41 24 Novemeber 2006

[edit] "Vandal attack from Japan?"

Read this. Short version: don't make up nonsense. --Calton | Talk 05:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

You need to follow Wiki protocol, of posting you comments or opintion to TALK first. Your assumption for this action is WRONG. You think I copied from their latest web page. Actually they copied from my article in Wiki, after I notifed them of the entry in March 2006 (when created). You did not take this standard approach -- why? What are you accomplishing with this speedy deletion "trick" -- You seem to know that the arbitration volunteers are heavily backlogged. User:Beatgr 5:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
You need to follow Wiki protocol, of posting you comments or opintion to TALK first.
What part of "don't make up nonsense" was unclear?
s an alumni of this university, very unfortunate - since permission had been given. I WILL NOT RETYPE - YOU ARE A COWARD - care reinstate this article to where it was so I may offer what ever doucmentation you believe is necessary?
What part of
a) WP:NPA and
b) I am not an admin. I did not delete your page or article, nor did I block you...This also means, of course, I cannot undelete your page/article
is unclear? I'm guessing nearly all of it, since you can't even get something as simple as my name right.
And to paraphrase what I wrote -- and try reading it until you understand it -- "Because I said so" is utterly insufficient to meet the explicitly defined requirements.
I would vote in favor of having you blocked from editing and marking future deletions -- which is also permitted in Wiki policy.
Give it a shot. I suspect you'll be very surprised by the response. --Calton | Talk 06:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Nothing on Wiki surprises me, attitudes or editors. --User:Beatgr 06:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
The long-established policies and guidelines seem to have done so. --Calton | Talk 06:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Already filed this incident.

With whom? Jimbo Wales? The Better Business Bureau? The UN Human Rights Commission? Given your track record, none of those would really surprise me. --Calton | Talk 06:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Requested copy of deleted article from arbitration.

Man, I'm already seeing the train wreck coming. Hint: I'm not the one on the tracks. --Calton | Talk 07:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

the copy is so I can minimze possible disambiguation

What ARE you talking about now? "[M]inimze possible disambiguation"? Do you even know what "disambiguation" MEANS? --Calton | Talk 07:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation in Wikipedia and other Wikimedia Foundation projects is the process of resolving ambiguity. The conflict occurs when a single term can be associated with more than one topic.

Very good. Now what in God's name does this word have to do with anything going on here? --Calton | Talk 07:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Carrier current radio stations regularly use call signs that are not assigned or approved by the FCC. A very good example of this is WIUX the student radio station for Indiana University. There are hundfreds of other such examples, not yet cataloged or added to the list in the carrier current entry. Before receiving their low power FM license from FCC in 2005 (again under FCC review) - this student station used the call sign, WIUS. That callsign was offically assigned by the FCC to another radio station. This is where disambiguation becomes an issue for the radio station entries. I can not remember if I placed such an entry for WIUW, I usually do - if I had performed the background research. This work will take a significant amount of time (hard research), since there is NO common Internet database for thse callsigns. Note the plea, added by a Wiki editor - I believe, to the Carrier current entry This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it. User:Beatgr 08:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rschen7754 input

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but for legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

Feel free to re-submit a new version of the article. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.

If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must include on the external site the statement "I, (name), am the author of this article, (article name), and I irrevocably release its content under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 and later, for use on Wikipedia and elsewhere."

You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here. You can also leave a message on my talk page. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 23:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC) Yes, Hello. We have worked and collaborated before on Illinois road/highway project entries. Beatgr 18:30, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the speedy deletion of the WIUW article by Calton. I have no control over webmasters of Internet web pages -- that improve their web pages by lifting Wikipedia content (sometimes 'wor for word') to improve their web pages. Wikipedia has no policy (or copy protection for itself) that I have found in this policy or administrative area. Editors, such as Calton seem to blindly assume that the Wikipedia volunteer writers and contributors are always at fault, never considering the possibility that its was a reverse copy. The original Wikipedia writer has no easy method to know that change to the web page reference has occurred. This guilty, until proven innocent approach is not in the canon of Wikipedia or its earlier GNU ancestors. This is an area that Wikipedia adminsitrators need to examine. Beatgr 18:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
This seems extremely unlikely. If you notice, the article was written in first person? Why would someone from Wikipedia writing about the station use "we"? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
For a radio station Mission statement - this is totally appropriate. In fact, how can you legally "change" a mission statement that is part of the required FCC license application? May I refer you to a document that starts with 'We the People ... Beatgr 08:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
May I refer you to a statement you made in your article... 'Tri States Public Radio is the region's voice for award-winning National Public Radio news and locally produced programming. Our listeners enjoy classical music, as well as the uniquely American sounds of jazz and folk music. We are the area's premier public radio service, catering to a growing group of discriminating listeners. From our humble beginnings in 1956 as a student-run laboratory in Western Illinois University's Tillman Hall, we have become the region's National Public Radio member station broadcasting quality programs that inform, enlighten and entertain." This is not a mission statement, this is advertising and copyvio. If it really is a mission statement then it needs to be properly cited. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I no longer have access to this original copy, that was my original request to you. You are now quoting from (or have access to) materials and entry only available for administrators and editors - it was speedy deleted from Wiki. This just informs me that speedy deletion process is "as deemed appropriate by Wiki editors and/or adminsitrators" with minimal or no discussion." Possibly a more approrpiate and efficent approach is for all new Wiki entries and major edits to be submitted in an approval queue by Wiki editors and administrators -- would save everyone a considerable amount of time and harrassment. Beatgr 08:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I can give you the text of the original article if you wish. However, if you have a problem with my deletion decision, WP:VFU can help you there. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, but that offer regarding User:Calton speedy deletion is far too late now. The WIUW entry has been retyped and that is all the further work that I intend on performing. The editors and adminsitrators can delete all of Wikipedia at this point -- In 2005, we achieved 6-fold growth in pageviews with spending of less than $750,000. We will need a lot more this year just to keep the site on the air and performing well. -- [Jimmy Wales blog]. Beatgr 21:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
User:Beatgr/WIUW.--Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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