Talk:Beatrice (A Series of Unfortunate Events)
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Hey , im rather new to this so bear with me.
If anyone out there is obsessed with THE SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS like me , then your probably wondering who this mysterious Beatrice person is. Well Lemony Snicket (aka Daniel Handler),is deeply in love with this woman, but cannot marry her because she is already married to someone else(we know this from the book series and the unautorized autobiography).unfortunatly,we also know that beatrice is dead. There are rumors going around that Beatrice is also in fact the baudelaires mother. Which clears up why Lemony cant marry her(she is obviously married to the baudelares father).There are several things that hints that she is in fact there mother: a) In the Slippery Slope it talks about how lemonys love(beatrice) is making a recipe...later on in the book , it tells how the baudelaire orphans mother makes the same recipe..........umm i have to go now but ill write mor later
- Actually, TSS talks about how Kit Snicket knew that recipe, and it was actually the main argument for the (now disproven) theory that Kit Snicket was the mother of the Baudelaires.
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[edit] Cleanup
This article needs some cleanup. Someone put a lot of information in this article which seems merely copied and pasted and disorganized. I don't have time to fix it all right now (although if I did, I'm not sure exactly how I would clean it up as I personally am not very good at formatting things for articles). Shivers talk 17:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- As it stands, I feel that a complete reboot and then perhaps organising evidence by book, talked through coherently rather than listing random misquotations, would be the most appropriate cleanup here. For such a vital part of the series, then the Beatrice page is truly atrocious.
Right, I've been brave and gotten rid of all of everything below the dedications - it's nearly all summarised in a much more encyclopedic fashion in the opening few paragraphs, so there was no need for it, quite apart from the fact that it was all poorly-written and had a fair bit of original research (a problem that frankly plagues every aSoUE article).
I am the one who posted all of the as you put it "misquotations" from the sereis about Beatrice none of the quotes were "misquoted." and were only fairly "disorganized" it was in book by book order and was in no way "Randon." None of it was "original research" it was all from the books themselves. Beatrice is my largest obsesstion and is a very "vital part of the series."
- I apologise, I mistook your edit for a straight re-insert of some information that had earlier been removed. Nevertheless, I don't feel that there is anything to be gained by quoting Snicket every time he mentions Beatrice. It was too extensive, I feel, to get past [Fair Use]. And frankly, the notable instances that were inserted as quotations are present already in the main body of the article; I do not believe there's anything to be gained by adding them. Nevertheless, I thank you for explaining your view, and I concede that the layout, placement, and format is something that could have easily been edited; however, I would appreciate it if you did not repost the text - the purpose it serves I belive would be better done on a fansite, such as your home UE.com.
you are most likely right .
[edit] More info
I just borowed a copy of the beatrice letters from a friend, and I don't know how many of you read it, but there's a lot of info that needs to be added. We should add a lot more stuff to this.
I just read the book this week, and i cant believe there are two Beatrices!, maybe the mother and the daugther, a daugther kidnapped by a secret organization, so the Baudelaires siblings never realize of her existence. But this is just a theory.
[edit] Spoiler problem
The end of The Beatrice Letters does indeed suggest that there are two Beatrice Baudelaires. But the mention of her surname, or the fact that there are two, should not be at the very start of the article, since it's a major spoiler for anyone still reading books 1-12. Can't it just say "Beatrice is a character mentioned in Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events"? --203.206.80.233 04:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
- I went ahead and removed it, especially since the question of her identity is still not resolved. (Could we even say that there are two Beatrices *in* A Series of Unfortunate Events? The narrator only seems to be aware of the elder, so perhaps the younger only features in The Beatrice Letters.) Go ahead and add more details after the spoiler warning, but for the first couple of sentences I think it's best to leave the nature of Beatrice as a mystery. (Think about it: an article about Bruce Willis' character from The Sixth Sense wouldn't begin by giving away the key secret of the film.) --203.206.80.233 13:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Major/minor Character
Whether Beatrice is a major or minor character, she needs to be included in the template? placed after elements that are in the book. Instead one has to find a link internally in the text. Suggestions? Rochelle CMN 16:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] More spoiler problems
The fact that Beatrice was the mother of the Baudelaire orphans is a major spoiler for the series, and although it did appear below the spoiler heading, placing this information in the title of the first subsection made it impossible to miss. No one could look at the article without seeing "Baudelaire's Mother" in large letters in the middle of the page. I have taken the liberty of changing the title "Baudelaire's Mother" to "The First Beatrice" and "Kit Snicket's Daughter" to "The Second Beatrice". This is still a spoiler for "The Beatrice Letters", but I don't see a good way to avoid this. CKarnstein 23:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree with your solution. There's no other way to divide them and as they are seperate people, they do need to be seperated. 21:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup
Given that the series is now over, I believe this article should be more streamlined without all the speculation and guesses.--CyberGhostface 22:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Seperate
Shouldn't there be seperate articles on Bertrand, BB1 and BB2? Information about BB1 is scattered between Mr. and Mrs. Baudelaire and this page. Pacaman! 00:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree. The two Beatrices are completely different people and habour no link between each other apart from the fact that one is the namesake and foster-grandmother of the other.Danny 20:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
