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[edit] Title / Move?

Should this article be put under the more appropriate title "Beasties" considering it was originally a Canadian produced show and that's the proper title in Canada? ☭ Zippanova 17:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

  • No as its proper name is Beast Wars as established on the Hasbro Website as well as other numerious areas. --The Matrix Prime 03:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Check validity of edits by vandal

Could someone check the edits made by User:209.135.123.8 [1] and revert if appropriate. –MT 18:11, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

His reference to the Darkside naming of the Predacon ship is with established fan lore. His choice to swap US to Canada is based on the production company being located in Canada, though it may be best to display it as US/Canada given its distribution and relationship to various American companies. Also, I put in information about the Emmy awarded for the show, as I did not see it displayed. Despite being a vague, small award, it's a significant achievment. - Orion Minor

Reply: Only if American Shows put "/[Insert Asian Country where art was done]" in their country list. Personally I think listing only Canada is accurate. --Aldrius 22:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

The Darkside is the name of the Predacon Vessel --The Matrix Prime 03:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Source? Evan1975 04:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Nowhere. It's a fan name with a decent spot on the show. Onslaught Six 11:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Fans came up with the name Dark Side for the ship is based on one line in the show where Terrorsaur says "Welcome to the dark side!" when he greets Cheetor to the ship. It was later used in the video game and in the DVD insert as the name of the Predacon ship, which makes it more official. user:Mathewignash

[edit] BotCon comics

Are these BotCon comics that involve several characters coming back to life included in Beast Wars canon? Jon Hart 01:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

no of course not, just expanded universe-like. Infinare 02:40, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

I know this is a very late response, but yes, they most certainly are. The BotCon comics are official Hasbro fiction, and as such, are considered to be in-canon. --Chris Love 00:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

  • No, they cannot be considered canon in the usually sense. Canon is the TV shows, the comic books, no matter who they're published by are not canon but Expanded Universe. It's not as bad as a ripoff/parallel universe" thing but still not the same as being in the TV shows. --The Matrix Prime 03:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Uh, no? You sound like some guy who really liked Aqua Teen Hunger Force that I used to know. Said comics are (or at the least *were*) considered full-on canon in the main TF universe. They may not be *now* because 3H, the producers of the old Botcon convention and comics, no longer have the liscense, and IDW is producing new BW material, their status of canon is in question. But it's certainetly *not* because They're Comix, Nut Shoes. And yes that is an intentional shot at your misspelling of Shows. Onslaught Six 11:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
What is cannon when discussing Transformers? It's certainly not as strict as Star Wars (for example). I have never heard any Hasbro/Takara representative say that the TV shows have presedence over comics or vice-versa. For the article, I say leave that choice up to the reader. Crockalley 14:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't really care if you like Aqua Teen Hunger Force or not, its not relevent to this article as you should well know. But this article is about the TV show "Beast Wars". Comic books about the show can be mentioned here but Botcom comics and the like really ought to have their own page. As far as this article in concerned "canon" can be considered as to what appeared in the TV shows themselves. For the rest I agree with Crockalley: the readers can decided for themselves. (and your spelling is screwy)--The Matrix Prime 06:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Please site sources that state the TV show is more canon that the comics. Where are you getting this anti-comic book sentiment? The comics mentioned in the article are embedded in the Beast Wars timeline, and thus relevant. If you'll recall, not only was the first G1 comic released before the first episode of the G1 cartoon, but a great many comics were written by the same man who wrote the tech specs for the toys. AND, some concepts in the Beast Wars cartoon came from the G1 comic. Why would you sideline comics now, when in the past they have proven to be in integral part of Transformers lore? Crockalley 14:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Exactly what part of "the readers can decided for themselves" is unlcear to you? --The Matrix Prime 02:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

An anonymous contributor placed in a section called "season 3 controversy." The piece is mostly opinion, and lacks facts, simply stating that "many feel" a certain way and that an even causes "controversy." It should either be expanded upon, with counter points and explanations of why certain decisions were made, or removed. There was controversy around season 3, but it is not being explained in that section.--Orion Minor 21:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

This article is in need of cleaning up. Herea are a few things I think should be done:

  • The Pilot and Further Adventures sections should be combined to a Storyline section.
  • All character information should be added to the characters' seperate articles.
  • The Transmetal section should be shortened and link to the main Transmetal section.
  • Sequel should be re-titled Beast Machines and link to the main Beast Machines article.

Feel free to discuss my reccomendations. I will help clean up. However, I will be unable to do much in regards to the Storyline as I do not recall much of the series and don't have enough free time to make all changes myself. IceDrake523 20:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you on the cleanup, and can offer information on the storyline and/or character info. Regarding the article itself, I propose the following changes, some to enhance on what you have suggested:

  • The Pilot section is too long and needs editing. A summary as opposed to a guide.
  • The Further Adventures section would be more accessable if it were separated into Seasons 1, 2, and 3. Transmetals would therefore fall into season 2 and Transmetal IIs into season 3.
  • Summarise the Beast Machines section and leave a link to the main article.

I can proceed right away with the changes, but would rather this be a joint cleanup effort. (Allriffnoraff 22:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Maybe a bit POV...

Overall, Beast Wars is one of the most beloved Transformers series made as many fans across the world cherish it for its sophisticated writing and in-depth character development.

I think I'd need to see some proof of that as factual data.--Skeev 17:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clyde Klotz

This guy got to do production design on a Transformers series, won an Emmy and had sex with Gillian Anderson. Truly he is living the everynerd dream. - 219.194.176.65 08:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleaned up

I redid most of the page in general, up to Megatron. Also, I removed the Plot Summary and stuff and moved it to Beast Wars (pilot). Yeah. I'll get to the rest Later, maybe. >.> Onslaught Six 06:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal comments

In my opinion, he only handicap of this cartoon could be the lack of Air Hammer (the hammerhead shark/eagle Maximal Fuzor). He could have form a sarcastic "comic duo" with Rattrap, or could have been Silverbolt's comic counterpart. Egr, 6/7/2006

Oh, please. If we're going to argue about what toyline characters 'really' should've been included in the artoon, we could be here for a stellar cycle. Skyshadow? Magnaboss? Tripredacus on Earth? Tigerhawk being around for more than three eps? The Ark actually taking off as planned and battling the Nemesis in the finale, plus Dirge, Ramjet and Thrust appearing? The list of stuff that 'would' make the cartoon a lot better is endless... Onslaught Six 00:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Continuity tie-in by MR UNSEEN

This is my theory: Beast Wars was originally going to be connected to G1 Cartoon but it's obvious to me that it's not. Here are some of my ideas (note: part of this theory also includes Beast Machines) Oh-pls respond: 1.if the autobots and decepticons had existed for millions of years how did the maximals and predacons come to be 2.when megatron 2 took over cybertron in beast machines wouldn't there be survivors on earth (after all humans and autobots worked together in G1 cartoon 3. how did the predacons gain a foot hold on cybertron (the decepticons were never able to permanently return to cyberton has seen in G1 Cartoon) 4. when exactly did the 2nd golden age of cybertron end, after all it seemed it would last for ever other key issues include the time in the future that beast machines happens in (why the EDC was not involved or why many of the aliens in the G1 Cartoon do not appear any more). I almost fogot: 5. Cybertron was always described to be an artificial planet created by the quintessons, since when was it organic 6. where is unicrons head (it's never seen in the background of cybertron) Again-pls respond


The official line is that BW and BM exist in a universe that merges elements of both the G1 cartoon and the Marvel comics, even though it seems to draw more on the cartoon (a history thing on one of the recent DVDs mentions the Liege Maximo). But you bring you some good points.

Possible answers.

1. Its established that the defeated Decepticons and the Autobots, downsizing into new more fuel-efficient bodies, became the Predacons and Maximals. Maybe the faction name change happened then. Furman's Alignment goes with this line.

2. Possibly Cybertron had withdrawn contact from earth by this tme for reasons unknown (possibly if the Cons were defeated then they wouldn't see any need to endanger the humans any further). Certainly humans are never mentoned in BM.

3. Theres a big gap between the end of G1 and BW. Possibly events transpired that we didnt see, such as the Cons returning. Even the Japanese Headmasters show could be taken as how Galvatron, Scorponok et all were defeated. Alternately it could be that the Maximals allowed em back on in the wake of their defeat.

4. Probably when Megs returned with the virus.

5. As Mat pointed out elsewhere, theres shown to be flowers growing on Cybertron in the very first ep of BM. How is unclear, but there is precedent.

6. No idea. Wasn't it blown out of orbit in the episode with Starscream's ghost? In any case Rattrap does mention it once in BM, comparing it to Megatron's floating head fortress.

Of course, this is all (my) speculation and something we really shouldnt do. Hope that helps.SMegatron 12:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC) ThankS from MR UNSEEN

[edit] Article Name

Wasn't the show actually calles "Beast Wars: Transformers"? Shouldn't this article be listed as that? TJ Spyke 23:57, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

That is indeed the full title of the show. So it probably should be moved. Davey4 05:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dark Glass Link

What happened to the link the went to the dark glass comic? I tried clicking it but it instead sent me to some random site. What happened? I really wanted to read the dark glass episode and now I can't. 69.141.78.155 14:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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