Talk:Battle of Kiev (1943)

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The sources for this article is a computer game! Andries 18:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

That's not necessarily bad. :-) But I guess something needs to be done. Andreas 20:17, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

The source computer games is "Fire Brigade, Battle for Kiev" by Panther Games. The whole article has been copied word for word from the back of the manual. Is this plagarism?194.75.129.200 23:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please read ;)

The manual retrieved at the Home of the Underdogs mentions the following bibliography:

• A.N. Grylev Dnepr, Karpaty, Krym - Nauka, Moscow 1970 (Russian)
• Maj Gen F W von Mellenthin: Panzer Battles - Ballantines, NY 1971
• Lt Gen David Dragunsky: A Soldier's Memoirs - Progress, Moscow 1963
• R G Poirier & A Z Conner: The Red Army Order of Battle - Presidio, Novalto 1985
• Ed. Ray Wagner: The Soviet Air Force in Wold War Two - Doubleday, Garden City 1973
• P N Pospelov et al: Great patriotic War of the Soviet Union - Progress, Moscow 1970
• Gen S M Shtemenko: The Soviet General Staff at War - Progress, Moscow 1970
• Marshal G K Zhukov: The Memoirs of Marshal Zhukov - Delacorte, NY 1970
• Prof. J Erickson: The Road to Berlin - Westview, Boulder 1983
• Ed. I Vitukhin: Soviet Generals Recall World War Two - Sphynx Press, NY 1981
• E F Zeimke: Stalingrad to Berlin - Dorset, Washington DC 1968
• Field Marshal E von Manstein: Lost Victories - Presidio 1982
• Lt Col M C Helfers: Small Unit Actions During the German Campaign in Russia - Dept. of the Army 1953
• A Seaton: Stalin as Military Commander - Praeger, NY 1975
• German Order of Battle - Hippocrene, NY 1975
• Gen Rauss: German Defence Tactics Against Russian Breakthroughs - Dept. of the Army 1951
• Microfilm Records, 4th Panzer Army, series T-313, rolls 373-381
• S W Mitcham: Hitler's Legions - Leo Cooper, London 1985
• W J K Davies: German Army Handbook - ARCO, NY 1977
• Brig H B C Watkins & Duncan Crow: Panzer Divisions of World War Two - Profile, Windsor

I believe that copying this page of the manual here is fair use.

[edit] The victory

I see no reason to consider this battle as decisive. Please, I do not wish revert war. We can sort this out with civilized discussion. Kurt.