Talk:Battle of Hattin
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[edit] The capture of Saladin's siter
Can anyone cite this? If not, I plan to delete it.
- It is in Ernoul, but Muslim sources don't mention her. Adam Bishop 20:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Numbers
I've changes the numbers, based on avid Nicolle's estimates, both in his "[Osprey Campaign#19] Hattin 1187" (ps.58-61), and "[Osprey Men-At-War #171] Saladin and the Saracens" (p.20).
If someone has closer estimates, please put them in, and tell me where they are from, our of curiousity.
Thanks.
MYLO 21:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
its very hard to eistimate the both side numbres but we can try to select the most closed numbre for salah al din-saladin-as arbic reference he had 12000 knight and in this age moslems dont use foot soldiers all the army are knight but some time in big battle the collect foot soldiers form cities and some timesu the numbre of those are equal the knight numbres i think the are not more than 10,000 men so the total army 22000 or less and i am sure the crusaders are less than salah al din army i am sorry for my english
The armies of Saladin always had infantrymen, specially archers althought had too other troops as you see in the Battle of Arsuf; in the same battle of Hattin, if i remember well, the muslim infantry attacked the souther side of the christian army, cutting the way to the Lake, while the cavalry attack the rear and vanguard of the christians while these was advancing to Hattin.
-Fco
[edit] Translation
If you would like I could translate the arabic version and paste it here.
- Sure, it would be interesting to see what it says. Adam Bishop 02:56, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Discrepancy between this and Third Crusade
In the account of Raynald and Guy's capture, it is written in this article:
"The exhausted captives were brought to Saladin's tent, where Guy was given a goblet of iced water as a sign of Saladin's generosity. When Guy offered the goblet to his fellow captive Raynald, Saladin allowed the old man (Raynald was about 60) to drink it but shortly afterwards said that he had not offered water to Raynald and thus was not bound by the Muslim rules of hospitality. When Saladin accused Raynald of being an oath-breaker, Raynald replied that "kings have always acted thus". Saladin then executed Raynald himself, beheading him with his sword."
but in the short paragraph it is stated:
"King Guy and Raynald were brought to Saladin's tent, where Guy was offered a goblet of water. Guy took a drink but was forbidden to pass the goblet to Raynald, because the Muslim rule of hospitality states that one who receives food or drink is under the protection of the host. Saladin would not be forced to protect the treacherous Raynald by allowing him to drink. Raynald, who had not had a drop of water in days, grabbed the goblet out of Guy's hands. Upon seeing Raynald's disrespect for Arab custom, Saladin beheaded Raynald for past betrayals. Saladin honored tradition with King Guy; Guy was sent to Damascus and eventually ransomed to his people, one of the few captive crusaders to avoid execution."
So which is it? Did Raynald snatch the Goblet or did Guy give it to him?
- Depends which source you read...Adam Bishop 04:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
