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[edit] What does "K" mean in baseball?

What are the "K"s a refference to in baseball? e.g. sometimes you see fans hang up a series of "K"s in the stadium or Arena. What do they mean? or symbolize? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.166.232.250 (talk • contribs).

When you score a game, K symbolized a strikeout. Usually, a regular K is a swinging strikeout while a backwards K signifies a strikeout looking, which means that the ball went through the strike zone but the batter did not swing. --Woohookitty 17:13, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
From what I remember, S was already taken as an abbreviation for sacrifice. Can anyone verify this? Kingturtle 13:01, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
That's what it says on the wikipedia page for Strikeout. Rabbethan 14:46, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

k means strike out

[edit] Clarification on innings completion

The article says an innings is over when three batsmen are out. Does this mean that they can bat more than once in an innings if less than three men are out by the time all the batters have had a turn? I think this needs to be made clearer in the article. Osomec 22:04, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes. It happens occasionally, less than once per game in MLB. (Note that, in Baseball, there are "batters" and "runners", generally not "batsmen"; "inning" is singular.) How does the article look now? Locarno 16:27, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Recent vandalism - protect?

Seems to me like this main article gets vandalized like every 4 to 6 hours, nearly always (of course) by anonymous addresses. The article is plenty long and detailed enough as it is, and the legitimate corrections/additions that are being made are pretty minor. Anyone else have an opinion about sticking a Template:Vprotected on it? That way, if someone wants to replace the entire page with the single line "baseball is gay" (such as happened twice yesterday), they'd at least have to ask first. The RC patrol has been great about reverting, but you can tell from the comments they're getting tired of it also. Thoughts? Dakern74 19:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. What about archiving this talk page again also?

I like the way to you talk, Mister. :-) TommyBoy76 01:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Page is now archived. --Woohookitty(meow) 13:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I feel like bringing up this topic again after watching the last 24 to 48 hours' worth of spam wars about card collecting, interspersed with other "helpful" edits involving a stinky anus and the fact that a "double" is what happens when two runners score at the same time. Anyone? -- dakern74 (talk) 00:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I Just repared the the page after the last attack where the page only had the words

           "I Love Baseball"

as the whole article. I replased using the last edit pre-ILOVE Attack. So it may need editing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.233.49.69 (talk • contribs).

I just typed "baseball" in the search field, and the page with "I love baseball" appeared--not the restored page. There is more work to be done, I think.

[edit] Collecting Section: Should there be one?

Hey guys, there was a selection on baseball collecting that had been included and was recently removed, what are your thoughts. Should an external link section for that be included? how about a "see also" if that doesn't work... thoughts/ideas/comments? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wolverinegod (talk • contribs) .

No. Links about collecting specific items aren't even relevant to a general article like this. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a web directory to websites related to the topic (WP:EL). Links should somehow contribute to the encyclopedic content, mere collections of external links should be avoided. Femto 12:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Interesting perspective. I would agree that specific items, such as the t206 wagner, or a ball signed by the 27 yankess should not be linked to. However, collecting baseball cards and other related materials are very popular amongst fans of the game. An entire section of the article could even be dedicated to the hobby in general. I would again think that something should be included. Image Repositories, Checklists, and sites that allow one to further their knowledge of the hobby are as relevant as any stat site or film site IMHO. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wolverinegod (talk • contribs) .

There's already a link to the wikipedia article on baseball cards in the see also section. --SiobhanHansa 14:30, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
It's less a perspective than the currently accepted guidelines. We're here to create actual content, not to accumulate links. Feel free to start a section about collecting! I think it would be best to begin with taking the link to baseball card out of the seealso. Put it in the popularity section and write a paragraph around it to introduce the hobby (…or business?), then further expand from there. Split it summary style to its own article when there is enough content (though I predict it will be a commercial spam magnet). Until then, there will be enough time to decide which links are appropriate or not. Additions of links on several topics to image repositories, checklists, stat sites, film sites etc. should be coordinated with Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball in any case. (Please sign your posts with four tildes ~~~~). Femto 14:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of Baseball

It is my thinking that the 'History of Baseball' section should/could have a short paragraph summarising its history instead of just a link? Also, the 'History of Baseball' link itself currently leads not to an article but a disambiguation page, which needs to be changed. Wwwhhh 14:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Probably couldn't hurt to have a short paragraph, but it would be tricky to put the whole history of the whole sport worldwide into a few sentences. In fact, I don't so much mind the disambiguation page, considering it has about a dozen different countries on it, and you could easily click on the one you're interested in. Not everyone is going to be looking only for the U.S. version, although that also has its own section/link further down (why aren't they together?). I'm also curious as to why perfect game is linked from that DAB page and no other "notable records" are. -- dakern74 (talk) 14:32, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kruk and Kuip

I think perhaps a section should be added for Giants broadcasters, notably Duane Kuiper and Mike Krukow. They are a huge part of the modern Giants experience and much beloved by all fans. When Barry Bonds retires, Kuip, Kruk, and John Miller will be the best known members of the Giants family. MonkBirdDuke 03:32, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

This would belong under San Francisco Giants, not under the article about the worldwide sport as a whole. -- dakern74 (talk) 05:06, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I meant to post that there, sorry, my mistake. MonkBirdDuke 19:13, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football

How can a baseball field be used as a football field too?

Paint different looking lines on it. You don't have to go to college to figure that out. MonkBirdDuke 03:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Go to Dolphin Stadium in Miami. Ponch's Disco 19:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The Convertion

Most Newer Multi-Porpace stadiums have retractable seats to expand to the size of a NFL feild. For College football some may use the warning tracks as the end lines. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.233.49.69 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Rosters

I think we should remove the list under this section. There is no rule dictating roster make-up and to try and create a list is subjective. Thoughts? --Tecmobowl 03:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there's a huge problem with leaving this since it does say "most" teams. However, I notice that nothing in this section specifies that it's MLB. I'm sure other leagues and other countries have different numbers of players and different deadlines and all that. Except now I'm afraid that if we make this MLB-specific, thirty more well-meaning editors will come along and make this article even looooooooooonnnnngggggger than it already doesn't need to be. It takes forever to load the whole thing, and frankly, I end up looking at it a lot since it gets vandalized every six hours. Any thoughts on streamlining any other sections at the same time? -- dakern74 (talk) 04:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I am confused. Your argument would support the idea of removing the list but you say it should stay. Since there is no distinct rule, and various leagues in various countries all have different tendencies, I would again think that supports removing the informaiton. This is also a problem if you look at the habbits of teams over the history of the game. In the US MLB for example, the role of Relief Pitcher has changed dramatically over the past few years. It was not uncommon for a starter to pitch a complete game during the early parth of the 20th century. More feedback would be appreciated. --Tecmobowl 06:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, I'm arguing with myself. I guess it's a way of saying that I'm not very fervent one way or the other. I think it should stay for right now, but definitely needs some more clarifying words like "nowadays" or "most" or "Major Leagues". I'm just scared of what will happen down the road. If that leads other people to start adding a bunch more sections on "rosters in Japanese baseball" and "rosters in my over-35 softball league at work", then I switch my vote. -- dakern74 (talk) 07:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SProtect (again)

Anyone have objections if i put this page up for sprotect? -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 18:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I really wish somebody would. I've brought up this topic in the project page (WP:WPBB) several times in the last couple months, and nobody ever answers. Strong second. -- dakern74 (talk) 03:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. Will hopefully stay this way until after the World Series. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 17:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Steroids

Is there an article about steroids and baseball?

Funny how simple Wikipedia can be sometimes. See steroids in baseball. There is also 2006 Baseball steroids investigation which is a little more current-events related. -- dakern74 (talk) 03:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Black Americans

Currently the article includes the following: "Black Americans ... continue to form a significant contingent." This is either false or thoroughly misleading. Very few born-in-the-USA black men are in the majors these days. MLB itself has initiated a program to encourage more American boys to play baseball, pointedly intended to prevent further reduction of the number of black Americans in the pipeline to the majors. Saw a brief story about this on TV including some interview footage with a former major leaguer who is one of the people working on this project. Sorry but I don't have any more specifics. But just ask yourself, does your favorite major league team have even two black Americans on it? I'd guess, possibly not! Those of us who got to see the great black stars of the 50s and 60s, so many of whom are now in the hall of fame, regret this trend. Publius3 08:45, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pennant?

One paragraph asserts that "Baseball is fundamentally a team sport—even two or three Hall of Fame-caliber players are no guarantee of a pennant", but this article does not explain what a pennant is or assert its importance, and the link is unhelpful.

Quite right. Relevant section edited to eliminate terminology that may not be clear to the general reader.—DCGeist 11:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Good work, but I was thinking more along the lines of someone explaining it, either here in Baseball or on the pennant page, since I have often heard and wondered about the term.
I agree the linked explanation is not perfect, but how does it still leave you wondering? For everyone else, here's the relevant text:
pennant: In team sports, a commemorative flag displayed or flown by a league-winning team. The last few weeks of the regular American professional baseball season, for instance, are known as the "pennant race". This is probably a holdover from the time (pre-1969) when the league championships were determined by the team with the best record at the end of the season, and to a lesser extent when there were division races but no wild cards (1969-93).
Where's the remaining area of confusion?—DCGeist 02:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Oops, sorry. If you look at the edit history of pennant, you'll see that that actually wasn't there when I made my original inquiry, and appeared - or rather, it seems, was restored - only a few hours before my last post. I hadn't seen it since shortly after you replied to me here. Though I'm not entirely sure what the significance of a "league" is, the description is, now, more or less adequate.

[edit] steroids

answer if u think barry bonds takes steroids —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.80.108.163 (talk) 02:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC). i think he is a beast i hate him

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