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Contents 1 Note on Japanese delegation 2 wish list 3 Secretary General 4 Reference #1 non-denominational Christian? 5 TO RANDOM USERS 6 Naming the critics 7 Concerning some inaccuracies re the confirmation of Ban ki-moon as Secretary-General designate 8 Ban or Ki-moon? 9 His religion

[edit] Note on Japanese delegation

As someone that has closely followed the race, including speaking regularly with mission staff, I do not believe there is evidence that the Japanese delegation offered "no opinion" on the fourth straw poll. I would welcome information to the contrary, or ask that the accusation be removed. Tfleming 01:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

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October 5th report: [1] [2]

October 6th report: [3] [4]

MSN Korea report: [5]

Chosun.com report: [6]

Mkhkoh 15:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Not only did Japan throw vote "no opinion" on the last straw pole, it was found that the one country that had been persistently voting against Korea was Japan. The articles explain that the Japanese were reasonably upset that South Korea opposed Japan's candidacy for Permanent Member of the UN Security Council for historic reasons and that this vote was essentially a "political vendetta" (which, unfortunately for the Japanese, was leaked).

One of the articles also mentions a supposed 'online battle' between South Korean and Japanese netizens leading to "mutual accusations."

The leak story was also published by the Japanese Yomiuri Shimbun(読売新聞), where they referred the to leak on the vote as a "failure on the part of Japanese diplomacy." Also reported by the Nihon Keizai Shimbun(日本経済新聞). For reference here are some of the Japanese newspaper headlines related to the matter [7] Mkhkoh 15:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Western news sources (understandably) seem to have overlooked this "detail."

How was this 'leaked'? My korean is a bit rusty and I can't seem to find any english pages that even acknowledge this. If it's hearsay, I'd rather it be attributed as such instead of stated as fact. At the very least, I'd like to know what the Japanese article had to say. Not trying to be argumentative, I just want more details on this point. HiS oWn 13:36, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

There is no such a thing "netizen" in Japan or anywhere else except for South Korea and China. :-) Most of the news source you mentioned were from South Korean media, which is not really trustabe for Korean matters in general. Japanese source you mentioned did not say what you expect. From western media, one opposed in the second vote was a middle east country and the third one was France.

[edit] wish list

• political affiliation?

- Ban-ki moon is not an official part of, but is strongly backed by the Uri Party, namely by Prime Minister Han Myung Sook: Click here for Han Myung Sook's profile.

• role in notable incidents of 04-05?

-Ban-ki moon in late 04: See here. Ban-ki moon commends soldiers for roles in Iraq War: See here.

• he is openly running for SG of the UN. See holbrooke, washington post.

69.170.64.188 01:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)Craig

[edit] Secretary General

1. Ban's 'win' on the UN Security Council straw vote should be included, me thinks.211.27.57.199 11:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reference #1 non-denominational Christian?

I was not able to find any reference to his religious beliefs on the reference listed. Is there another reference that supports this claim?

The "Personal" section has been subject to a lot of strange anon activity... there was a reference listed, namely this one, which identifies Ban as a member of the "group without church" or "churchless movement," aka mugyohoe (무교회). The Wikipedia article on this interesting East Asian movement, popularized in Korea by Ham Seok-heon and others, is oddly located at the Japanese name thereof, which made the paragraph somewhat convoluted. I had added some background information on the group's development in Korea; all of this was removed and replaced by an unreferenced statement that Ban has no religious preference -- that in turn was removed per policy, leaving us with no information at all. I'm not sure where to go from here; I can't find anything in Korean or English that supports the statement in the Asianews article, so perhaps it is better to leave religion out unless a more definitive source can be found. -- Visviva 08:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Most likely Ban is not a Unificationist. The source that claim this solely depend on the fact that he confesses as a "non-denominational Christian", which is often a codeword for Unificationist. However, it is NOT always the case. And the claim that he's a unificationist came from one source.

But look at this: Some informed UN sources are concerned that Moon lists his religious affiliation as "non-denominational Christian," a code word often used by the "Moonies" for the Unification Church. [...] Although Ban Ki-moon and Sun Myung Moon are not related, some UN members may sense that there is something amiss about the Bush administration's strong support for the South Korean Foreign Minister given the close links between some Bush officials and the "Moonies."

It's still "alleged".

Added to that, Wayne Madsen is NOT a credible source. Here's one example.

If he's a Unificationist, how come no one mentioned it when he became a South Korea government minister? If true, this would have made him the highest-ranking Unificationist in governement anywhere. The U.S. has 3 state legislators who are definitely members, and the State Departemnt has Josette Shiner, whose "membership" is not clear (all we know for sure is that she was a managing editor of the the UC-owned Washington Times).

Perhaps the confusion arose over the Korean naming system. The two relevant men are:

1. Moon, Sun Myung (or in Western order Sun Myung Moon
2. Ban, Ki Moon (Western order Ki Moon Ban).

One of the articles cited above refered to Mr. Ban by the family name "Moon" even though the word moon is the part of his given name. It's as silly as referring to Tommy Lee Jones as Mr. Lee! :-) --Uncle Ed 21:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I am a Korean and there is ABSOLUTELY NO allegation toward Ban relating to unification church in Korea. If he had any connection to the unification church, he wouldn't be a Korean foreign minister at the first place. Because roughly 50% of Koreans are christian and they wouldn't condone moonies to become a foreign minister. I think this is simply caused by mistranslation. --Crmtm 15:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I have never noticed a Korean name with the two given names written together with a hyphen. Mostly it's three distinct words; Kim Jung Il for instance. Is this an effort to downplay the "Moon" part? Steve Dufour 03:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC) p.s. Nice to bump into you again Ed. And thanks for your contributions Crmtm.

It's quite common, and is (all other things being equal) the preferred format on Wikipedia; see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean). See Category:Korean people for numerous examples: Chun Doo-hwan, Go Im-pyo, etc. -- Visviva 08:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Steve Dufour 15:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TO RANDOM USERS

Consider where you first found the source before listing or referring to it on ANY article in Wikipedia. A V12 ON THE ICE 03:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Nelson NYC, please do add that link in the page again. specifically, Will UN HIRE another crook?

You know that isn't a reliable source, nor one that is credible for wikipedia. Obviously, this should be treated as vandalism, if you do not respond. Login to earth 20:35, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naming the critics

Let's avoid phrases like this:

• has been criticized
• concern has been expressed

We need to identify the people who have criticized him or expressed 'concern'. I think this is a guideline (see Wikipedia:Weasel words. --Uncle Ed 15:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning some inaccuracies re the confirmation of Ban ki-moon as Secretary-General designate

The page shows Ban ki-moon as the 8th Secretary-General. Actually, he was confirmed by acclamation by the General Assembly yesterday. The President of the Security Council for the month of October read the note (letter) from the Security Council, and the President of the General Assembly then asked the pertinent question, and without objection, Ban ki-moon was confirmed to take office for a term of five (5) years beginning 1 January 2007 as 8th Secretary-General of the UN.

These are subtleties in UN-style language, just for clarification purposes, and I too stand subject to any revision.

Richardjordan 21:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC) Richard Jordan

[edit] Ban or Ki-moon?

Isn't Ki-moon the shortened form of Ban Ki-moon's name. I mean in the news they would call him Ban, but in real life, does his family call him Ban, or like in China they would call him Ki-moon. Got Comments? Sometimes1must 22:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Not sure I understand the question, but Ban Ki-moon is a standard Korean name, so "Ban" is the family name and "Ki-moon" is his personal name. -- Visviva 23:25, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Koreans use first name to call their friends or subordinates. Koreans NEVER use first name alone to call older person. It could be regarded as an insult. You can use whole name to call a person but should be attached with 'Ssi(Mr,Miss or Mrs.)', 'Yang(Miss)' or official position name. When refering someone in official position, last name alone is more frequently used. examples: Roh Daetongryung(president Roh) Ban Yaegyobu-janggwan (foreign minister Ban) Kim Gyosu (professor Kim) --Crmtm 19:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I will never understand Korean and Chinese names. I take it from the comma in the article that, to Western eyes, his "surname" is Ban, but this is the first-name by which he is known in the west...? :confused smiley: doktorb _words^deeds 17:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] His religion

I removed a sentence that said he had no religious preference. Besides being not true it could be considered a negative thing by some people. Steve Dufour 06:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)