Talk:Baloch people
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I have removed the last section because it is very inaccurate and some of the information has already been mentioned. The article is discussing the Baloch people and not any other race or about any other region, so stop adding these things. Just focus on Baloch when writing.
It would also be nice if some pictures are included.
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[edit] Repeated vandalism or near-vandalism
This page has been subjected to repeated insertions of material that has serious deficiencies. While the spelling, grammar, and formatting alone would make the inserted text unfit for inclusion in an encyclopedia, the material is non-neutral.
In this article and others, the same anonymous user appears to be repeatedly trying to promote a couple of websites: BalochVoice and BalochTawar. What action would the Wikipedia community recommend? 68.20.38.45 05:05, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Note: The above signed comment was modified by 203.91.149.122; I have reverted it (just doing some RC patrol). — Knowledge Seeker দ (talk) 09:44, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Recent Edits
I've been adding some depth to the article regarding the Baluch that was missing. Before changing or deleting things can we discuss it on this page? Thanks. Tombseye 12:02, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
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The format and depth is looking much better, but I am puzzled as to where you got this from:
In Pakistani Balochistan they are currently outnumbered by Pashtuns........
Pashtuns being a majority in Pakistan Balochistan is wrong. Yes, there are a large number of Pashtun natives and refugees as well, but they are confined to the northeast and they still do not outnumber the Baloch. This is a myth without any statistical backing. So, I think it is only fair if you remove this portion. Here is a link that should not be included in the article, but should be used to remove this portion:
Note: I had some things written earlier and somebody removed what I wrote.
Well, the last census taken showed that there were more Pashtuns than Baluch, and they are a majority in Quetta for sure, in the province overall they are the largest group by a small margin followed by the Baluch themselves and then the Brahui and then various other smaller groups. I noted that in Bennett Jones' "Pakistan" (and he got his info. from various national surveys and estimates) that the demographic shift has been going on for years and eventually the Baluch will be outnumbered by a much larger margin due to a disparity in raw numbers and the higher birthrates of the Pashtuns. The chart you have includes the Baluch and Brahui together so of course they outnumber the Pashtuns, but if you split those numbers up it's a different story. At best, the Baluch barely might outnumber the Pashtuns or not. They are already on the verge of being outnumbered in Iran, if not already. The Baluch are a small group compared to their neighbors so this might simply be inevitable. Also, some great statistical data can be found in "The State, Religion, and Ethnic Politics: Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan" edited by Myron Weiner and Ali Banuazizi which also pointed to what I said and they used even more extensive data and sources. At any rate, I don't really feel like arguing about it as it doesn't make any difference to the article. As for "Arabic-speaking" Baluch, these are largely bilingual people working in the Persian Gulf as opposed to an actual number who claim Arabic as their mother tongue. Many people claim descent from Arabs without any evidence as it were.
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[edit] Language
The original author of this section neglected to list the fourth of the "four main languagues" mentioned, so I altered the text to reflect the list as shown.
The entire entry probably needs to be verified for accuracy, anyway. Shabbs
[edit] Dispute
- Balochs are a distinct ethnic group their relationship with Iranian peoples which is a linguistic term is only linguistic and their Iranian origin is only one of several hypotheses. The article is totally one-sided and promotes a strong pro-Iranian perspective and is totally anti-balochi.
- Diyako Talk + 16:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Balochis ARE Iranian, so how can it be Anti-Balochi?! You don't make any sense. --Kash 00:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Also, privde evidence before suggesting these mis-informed ideas with your Anti-Iranian POV, --Kash 01:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Origins of the Baloch
For each theory, we need at least one refference. Those who don't have any refference should be removed. If there isn't any credible refference for these theories, the whole section should be removed. Bidabadi 10:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Because there is no credible refference for these theories, I remove this section. However, in the history section, there is some useful information about their origin (and the source is Britannica). Bidabadi 13:54, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pictures
I have removed the picture of Ramzi Yousef since not only is his origin unclear, but it is extremely, extremely offensive to have a terrorist displayed in this article as an example of the Baloch people. Whoever included it should be ashamed of themselves. SouthernComfort 12:38, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WARNING USER:DIYAKO HAS ASKED OTHER USERS TO EDIT THIS PAGE AND ASSERT BALOUCH ARE NOT IRANIAN
User:Diyako and other anti-Iranian users will attempt to attack this page. They are attacking anything that has to do w ith Iran promoting anti-Iranianism. 69.196.139.250 02:04, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Language Section Removed
Many errors are found here. First, the language of the Baloch is Balochi. Jadgali and Brahui are spoken by other ethnic groups. Some Baloch may speak these two languages (along with several others) and second languages, but there needs to be sources. Also, many of these tribal names that were mentioned need to be sourced because I was unnable to find those listed. Imperial78
