Talk:Ballet

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have new messages (last change).

This article is within the scope of the Ballet WikiProject, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of ballet related articles. If you would like to participate please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.

This article has been identified as needing collaborative improvement by an editor from the Ballet WikiProject. Please see this article's section on the article improvement page. You may additionally find these resources helpful.
Dance WikiProject
Portal		 This article is within the scope of WikiProject Dance, which collaborates on Dance and related subjects. To participate, help improve this article or visit the project page for details on the project.
??? This article has not yet received a rating on the quality scale.

Contents

[edit] Intro

I removed the following piece:

It incorporates alignment, flexibility, exercises, and center work in a disciplined curriculum. Typical ballet classes consist of a barre and center work; more advanced classes include adagio, petit allegro, and grande allegro sections.

Reasons: (a) a piece was put by an anonim into an arbitrary place, out of logic flow of the article. (b) Even if the phrase is correct, it is full of terminology and useless: both experts and ignorants learn nothing. Mikkalai 22:16, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

If you were talking about women the way you talk about ballet, you would hear from thousands of angry women. It lacks sensibility, and shows no concern for the person that doesnt know anything about ballet, and knowing the realibility of wikipedia checks it there, and what a fiasco.

should there be a page for ballets (ballet dances)? this page needs more information and links to the various aspects of ballet such as ballet lessons, history, choregraphers etc etc Ohka- 23:14, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
I think there should be a page for ballets. I'm working on it... so far I've done Romantic and Neoclassical Ballet, so I hope to see feedback/corrections/etc mary 22:48, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] what's needed

  • a better main entry
  • history of ballet page
  • ballet timeline
  • the ballletcatergories need to have pages created (eg romantic ballet)
  • the other methods need pages
  • important ballets need pages
  • famous ballet companies need thier pages
  • ballet artists
  • ballet catergories
  • Different schools - russian, italian, etc.
  • All the different ballet exams


81.153.52.218 07:56, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Mariinsky - Kirov Ballet

To help clear up any confusion:

The Ballet company has alway been a part of the part of the Theatre (Mariinsky Theatre, Academic State Theatre, Kirov Theatre). The name changes reflect the political suituation in russia at that particular time.

When touring outside Russia the ballet company is called the Kirov Ballet

see: What is the official name of the Kirov-Mariinsky Ballet?

I actually have that article up on my computer now (I think I'm gonna re-write the Kirov article tommorow). That's why I made the page move, and changed the wording around, so that it's more appropiate to the current day. Lyellin 13:48, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] contemporary vs. classical ballet

What are the differences between contemporary and classical ballet?--Hhielscher 21:53, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Classical ballet focuses more on the technical aspects of dance that have been used for years, especially by Russian companies. Contemporary ballet tends to focus more on emotion and movement than technique.

[edit] Ballet and its gendering

Someone should address the contemporary controversy around Ballet--the common tie to eating disorders, the gendering and caricaturing of women, the problems with the implicit gender/power dynamics, and so on. Unfortunatly I know only about the subject, not much of it. -bmortimer 8 November 2005

I'm intrigued by the phrase "gendering and caricaturing of women." Classical ballet certainly includes female characters that aren't ideals for today's women, but these are historic pieces, much like the plays of Shakespeare. Are you objecting to a current practice in the world of dance, or the performance of more traditional ballets? -pmerz 8 August 2006
Something definately needs to mentioned about eating disorders and the obsession with thinness and the "right body" within the modern ballet community. Gender (the fact that male dancers are seen as "gay" by many people outside the ballet world, ect.) should also be discussed. This article has really improved since I first read it, although I still think alot could be added to make it even better. CerealBabyMilk 07:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

Why do some of the snowflakes have 5-fold symmetry?

Actually, I think the photo for this page needs to be replaced - none of the dancers are actually in technically-correct positions, and (looking at it from a dancer's viewpoint), that hurts this page's credibility. Not entirely sure where to find a usable non-copyrighted photo though.

—I agree.

There must be someone who would be willing to donate a picture to this page of more technically accurate dancing. Also, the caption refers to the composer's name, instead of the choreographer's or dance company who is performing. I think Tchaikovsky is swell, but certainly he didn't stage this particular production?
I've looked around, but I can't find any. I uploaded two pictures I took (they're on my page) but they were with a crappy camera and no flash; and one was from about thirty feet away, backstage, between costume changes. In my opinion the ballet picture being used now needs rapid replacement, but I'm not sure a fuzzy picture would be any better... I'm going to try to contact the gentleman in charge of the Ballerina Gallery and ask if he has any copyright-free pictures or protected ones he's willing to donate. --Editor at Large 14:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The new photo of Paloma Herrera as Sylvia is a great image, but I'm a little uneasy about its provenance. The caption says Photo credit: Gene Schiavone, but the photo's page says Photo by Marty Sohl. It also says "This image was obtained from Kelly Ryan, the Director of Press and Public Relations at ABT. In contact with Rmrfstar through email." But it's not clear to me whether the copyright owner (Schiavone? Sohl? Ryan? ABT?) has really offered it under the GFDL license, as claimed on the wikimedia commons page at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Sylherrera.jpg , or whether this is just fair use, as stated on the WP page. I'm also not at all convinced that the fair use rationale is valid --- the photo is higher resolution than necessary, and replaced a GFDL-licensed one. I'll drop a message to Rmrfstar and ask for clarification.--24.52.254.62 04:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

User Rmrfstar has taken the Paloma Herrera photo out, since he agrees with me that it's not an appropriate case of fair use. I've replaced it with a cropped and retouched version of the older GFDL'd photo of a Nutcracker performance, with a caption referring to the fact that she's on pointe. This version cuts out the dancers in the background. Were the technical problems people were complaining about just problems with the dancers in the background, or is the dancer doing the arabesque also doing something wrong? If so, then another image that could be used instead is Image:Violetta_Elvin.jpg.--24.52.254.62 16:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

No, her arabesque is incorrect as well; her alignment, arm positions, and legs are all off -- as well as the fact that her supporting foot is photoshopped in. The Violetta Elvin image is actually being used already on the En pointe page (I used it to replace a TERRIBLE image, which basically showed how not to stand en pointe). I sent an e-mail to the owner of The Ballerina Gallery asking if he had any copyright-free images, but have not as yet recieved a response. It's been over a month, so I don't know if I will. At any rate, I'm going to start bringing my camera to rehersals and start snapping pictures. Maybe I'll end up with a good one, if I can use the flash this time... — Editor at Large(speak) 17:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
The problem is that it looks like the Maya Plisetskaya photo is going to go away. There are thousands of old Soviet-era photos on WP and wikimedia commons, all of which were posted with copyright templates claiming that they were public domain; however, it seems pretty clear now that that interpretation of the law was just wrong: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:PD-Soviet , and the images are going to be deleted. It would be great if you could take some pictures at rehearsals. While you're at it, how about photos demonstrating the five positions? That would be really cool and useful!--24.52.254.62 18:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Dance

Portal:Dance has been started. Please have a look. --Roland2 12:10, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] David and Goliath

I've added David and Goliath (ballet) to Goliath (disambiguation), but the article does not yet exist. And there seems to be no list of ballets to add it to. Michael Hardy 23:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article revamp

In my humble (or not, depends) opinion, I think that this article needs an enormous revamp. It needs to be completely re-written, more info needs to be added, and the useless stuff needs to be taken out. I'm going to go ahead and start working on it. — Editor at Large(speak) 22:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

There are a reasonable amount of ballet-related articles floating around Wikipedia, this article should probably attempt to present most of them either in prose format or annotated list. Additionally, since technique is so huge in ballet, there should at least be a section for it. Also maybe the classic faceoff between Russian and Royal ballet (oh and ABT). --Keitei (talk) 23:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intro

  • Fencing stuff needs to be moved out (into history?) -removed
  • More info on how ballet is unique should be added
  • No subjectivity

[edit] History

  • Looks pretty good, but could be longer and more in depth, perhaps History of ballet spin out?
  • Recent history needs expanding

[edit] Technique

  • Basic outline of essentials
  • Differing schools

[edit] Ballet...

Most people think that Ballet is easy. Those people are wrong. Ballet takes strength, perseverence, and patience. You need to take the time of day to practice though. If you don't work hard to build up your muscles, then you will never be able to proceed and learn more. You also would never be able to go on to Pointe. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.255.62.122 (talk • contribs).

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org../../../b/a/l/Talk%7EBallet_f2e9.html"