Talk:Bai Chongxi

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[edit] Requested move

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The result of the debate was move to Bai Chongxi. -- Kjkolb 11:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC) Pai Ch'ung-hsi → Bai Chongxi – noncontroversial move to standard pinyin spelling per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (China-related articles) but edit history requires an admin. -AjaxSmack 17:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

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Oppose, according to

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Names, you should not use pinyin because it is a Taiwan related article. 132.205.44.134 23:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Bai was not a "personage from Taiwan" and the article should therefore follow Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Names. - AjaxSmack 02:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Support--Greasysteve13 06:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Support as nominator. - AjaxSmack 21:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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As an officer of the Republic of China, this seems to be an inappropriate romanization of his name to use. As a high ranking one, he was most likely noted in places in the West using the Wade-Giles representation when he was still in uniform. 132.205.44.134 23:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Other "officers of the ROC" such as Wang Jingwei, Zhang Xueliang, or Du Yuming are listed according to pinyin spellings unless they are "personages from Taiwan" or are better known for their actions or career in Taiwan. - AjaxSmack 02:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Any officer that fought the Communists might object to be rendered using a communist invented romanization. Further his son uses Wade-Giles. 132.205.44.134 01:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rise to power

The article doesn't say how he managed to accrete any soldiers in the first place. Did he just join Li Tsung-Jen's army, or did he possess his own troops beforehand (as implied by allying)? Did he inherit them? Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (Be eudaimonic!) 02:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pinyin vs. Wade-Giles

Oppose use of HYPY - though born in China, he was indeed a personage of Taiwan (or of the Republic of China); such people's names rarely conform to Hanyu Pinyin. Most conform to Wade-Giles, with various exceptions. Just as Sun Yat-sen should not be categotized under Sun Yixian, Pai's name should not be spelled in HYPY. {Bubbha 02:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)}

Since 1979 (the official adoption of Pinyin), ~~three-quarters~~ 55% of references in books to the individual in question use the Pinyin spelling rather than some form of the Wade-Giles spelling.