Talk:Bagram torture and prisoner abuse

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[edit] NYT

I notice that this article relies on external liks to several to New York Times articles. It is my understandg that after two weeks, the NYT archive is now pay-only, so these articles may no longer be freely available. However, it is likely they have been republished elsewhere, the links should be updated. -- Viajero | Talk 19:40, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah -- it's a problem. The Times links were closed last night when I was editing this, I only had access to them because I'm a subscriber. I'll try to do some alternate sourcing tonight, Godwilling. BrandonYusufToropov 19:47, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Scope

The article seems to be about any abuse that occurred at Bagram, but the lead-in is only about the homicides. I think the lead-in needs to be changed. Rich Farmbrough 03:49 7 March 2006 (UTC).

NPOV Addition

I added a NPOV banner to this article.

The McCain portion needs to be rewritten, as it is most definantly not objective in regards to the Vietnam references. It is strongly preachy, and is clearly an attempt to try and criticize McCain without any basis in reality. I'm not saying that the material in the article is necessarily false, but it is irrelvant to the McCain Amendment, as well as his time as a tortured POW. I might be slightly more acquiescent if the article mentioned the torture and murder of South Vietnamese by the NVA, VC, Khmer Rouge, Pathet Lao and others, but THAT portion of the article is clearly biased, and needs to be either removed or reworded to conform to NPOV. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.159.125.82 (talk • contribs). 17:32, 2006 March 16

There is considerable debate about Carolyn Wood not being a notable person and the article being unencylopedic.Are not the other people tabled here (some with their own article page) even less so? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.2.131.127 (talk • contribs). 18:01, 2006 April 6

The current position of the Bush administration is to acknowledge that abuse has been committed by Armed Forces personnel -- but that there were only a few isolated incidents, committed, without authorization, by rogue personnel -- and most importantly for this article, all the perpetrators had been held accountable.

The high-profile perpetrators from Abu Ghraib, Lyndie England, Charles Graner and Ivan Frederick all got stiff sentences. But less publicized perpetrators, like Lewis Welshofer, and those implicated in the murders of these two Afghans, were either not charged at all, acquitted, or received trivially light sentences -- even though murder is a much more serious charge than any the Abu Ghraib seven were implicated with.

People are likely to look to the wikipedia to decide for themselves whether Condalleeza Rice's claim that the perpetrators had all been appropriately punished was credible. IMO that makes these individuals highly notable. Readers deserve to know the actual charges and the actual punishments meted out to these individuals. -- Geo Swan 15:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

What people have not realized is that there are no taxi cabs in or around Bagram AB. There is not even a city, but a small settlement. While stationed there a month ago there were not even any motor vehicles other than the ones use by military personnel. The man written about in the article could not have been a taxi driver unless he got lost and drove thirty miles from Kabul. I have never heard of a taxi drive getting lost and accidentally ending up at the front gate of the largest military installation in region.69.138.61.215 06:01, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Where public transport is missing, taxi cabs play that role, not just in Afghanistan but everywhere in the third world. 30 miles is not an uncommon distance, if he were from Kabul. --85.178.5.4 10:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)