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[edit] DO NOT BLOCK ME BECAUSE OF MY NAME PLEASE

If you are about to block me, because you think my name is offensive, please do some research first. Or at least contact me first. I am not a Nazi nor am I part of any white power party. The word Aryan has been a common name for centuries & centuries. It is a name that is common in India, Iran, Armenia, Afghanistan, Nepal, and a bunch of other countries. It is a common religious name in Hinduism, Buddhism, & Sikhism as well....Before u block me, do your research or at least for God sakes contact me first! ARYAN818 01:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:NPA and also please discuss your edits

  1. ARYAN818 (talk • contribs), please discuss before making controversial and uncited edits. Thanks. --Ragib 08:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
  2. Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --Ragib 08:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

various users have identified you as a troll. If you do not alter your aggressive and unencyclopedic behaviour, respect consensus and discuss the sources on which you base your changes (and since your edits are extremely uninformed, maybe pick a topic on which you have some knowledge or references), your edits will continue to be reverted, and you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia if you persist. dab (ᛏ) 18:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unblock

I have unblocked this account. This user chose to use his own name as his username; he should not be blocked for it. Kelly Martin (talk) 04:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

THank you Kelly but I am still blocked....What is going on here?....All this hassle I have gone through all because some guy (RAL315) decided to block me cuz he says that my user name is innapropriate...This is not fair...It is not fair for some random person to just block you anytime they want to, with no warning, and for a stupid reason that he gave....Look at my name...its my birth name and my area code....Its a common name in India , Iran, Armenia, you name it.....Is this fair? Can someone please block RAL315 because he decided to block me? HELP SOMEBODY!!!!! ARYAN818 06:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

If you have complains about the block, please put them in Administrator's noticeboard, with appropriate references to the block logs. However, blocking you isn't a sufficient reason for blocking an administrator, considering your previous history of edits and inappropriate behavior. Thanks. --Ragib 08:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
P.S. You are not blocked, according to the block log. --Ragib 08:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Do not remove other people's edits

Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Rama's Arrow 18:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I didnt remove anything as a test...I made logical edits'....u didnt bother telling me what "HUGE" tests i did ARYAN818 18:42, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
this is just trolling now. You have obviously no desire to add anything constructive. If you continue in this vein, you'll be blocked from editing. This is an encyclopedia, we are not here to prat around, you may want to try Usenet instead. dab (ᛏ) 19:23, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Were you going to tell me what it is that you have a problem with? You keep saying I am trolling, I am doing this, I am doing that....But you wont tell me what it is that I am doing that is wrong? CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS THAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH? ARYAN818 01:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
IT MIGHT WELL BE THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF UPPERCASE TEXT YOU USE ALL THE TIME. IT'S VERY ANNOYING BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO READ AND CONSIDERED BAD "NETIQUETTE". IT'S TANTAMOUNT TO SHOUTING IN REAL LIFE. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 23:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
O im sorry your majesty...I didnt realize caps was such a life affecting issue....Waa waa waaaa please forgive me o great one....Im sorry...I beg u....please....forgive me! Please o great one! I did not know that caps was so annoying! ARYAN818 07:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks

Regarding your comments at Talk:Sikhism: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 16:04, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey Aryan

Hey Aryan. It looks like you're coping it a little here and that maybe you don't know exactly what you've done wrong? Thought I might help out a little (I'm not involved in any of those, I'm not an admin or anything special like that, just trying to help you out).

Basically, Wikipedia maintains a strict no personal attacks policy. We do this simply to avoid losing/scaring away new users who might make a mistake every now and then. If we can spare them the insult of "hey that edit was so stupid you are dumb" etc. we hopefully don't deter them from contributing and they learn from their mistakes.

You've made some edits recently that seem to be a form of personal attack (see these links: [1] [2] [3]). If you disagree with someone's edit, that's fine. There is, however, no need to say things like "You are a typical example of a hardcore SIkh...You only go by what you hear and u never actually take the time to read the actual Hindu teachings....U dont bother to learn anything and u just go by what u hear.". If you think an edit someone made is factually incorrect, you should bring it up on the article's talk page (which you did) and provide evidence (external evidence such as a website, we're unable to accept your own knowledge as verifiable evidence which is especially important in editing disputes like this one) as to why you think the edit might be wrong (which I can see you definitely attempted in this edit: [4]). Remaining civil through this process is also essential - rather than insulting the intelligence of the user who made the edit (even - especially - if the user was indeed wrong) not only means that people are likely to be more receptive towards your evidence, but also that you will not run foul of other editors who might take insult at what you say.

Basically, we're here to write an encyclopedia. Part of that is having intelligent, evidenced, proper discussion about facts in articles. If editors decide to take the easy way out - by calling their fellow editors names and insulting their intelligence - not only do we lose factual accuracy, but we also lose good contributors who feel unwelcome. Keep this in mind, and you'll have no problems around here. :)

You should also see this link: [5] where your case is being discussed by administrators. If you've got any questions or need any more help, let me know. Have a great day! --james // bornhj (talk) 16:17, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Ya but I dont understand....these guys who im debating, get to call all the shots....They are deciding what stays and what goes in the articles....Its as if they are the ones in charge of the article....I mean i understand everyone has opinions...but all I wanted to do was put in a 2 sentence change in the article, which sets up a link, to another article...why?....For people who want to learn something else....and these guys are telling me basically NO...SORRY....NOT GOOD ENOUGH...I mean they make edits with no back up...and I cant do anything ARYAN818 21:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I told you initially that your edit was conjecture and for such a controversial claim cited no sources [6]. All that occured was a big rambling about Hinduism and Sikhism being the same. All I ask is you provide a reputable source (a published book preferably, not some fringe web site) that mentions the point you're trying to make. If you have that, we can add it to the article - simple! Instead of providing a source, you got into an argument on the talk page.
And, incidentally, it's not as if the Sikhism article doesn't already discuss the similarities with Hinduism. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 22:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unblock

UNBLOCK

I am very angry right now....This is very very annoying to me...... My user name was blocked by JDoorjam because she says its offensive....She never took the time to ask me about my name.....She never tried to contact me.....She never even warned me that she was "offended".....She just went ahead and blocked me....Just like that....I mean she could have at least let me explain my name before she blocked me...She obviously hasnt done her research on my name...She obviously isnt educated on this matter...And she never even tried to talk to me...She just went ahead & blocked me & thats very mean & unfair!

My name is Aryan!...This a common name!...Its common in India, Iran, Armenia, Indonesia, Afghanistan, and a bunch of other countries....Im not part of the Nazi people!...Its a regular name!...Its not my fault that Hitler used it for his own purposes!....And the 818 is my aread code! For god sakes I live in Los Angeles....I use Aryan818 on alot of websites!...Can someone please email JDOORJAM & explain to her that maybe she should do some research before she blocks someone? And can someone tell her next time she should be nice enough to talk to a person before she blocks them!....I cant even email her cuz im blocked for god sakes!!!!

ARYAN818 07:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Please do not delete other people's comments unless archiving. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 09:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


While 818 is an area code of greater LA, it is very unfortunate circumstance that the combination "Aryan818" was chosen by the user, becoz it does correspond with neo-Nazi symbolism. I suggest that ARYAN818 be permitted to apply for username change. This Fire Burns.....Always 14:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another point

Note that some neo-Nazis use "88" to indicate "Heil Hitler": H = 8, you see. Thusly, 818 could be interpreted as "Heil Adolf Hitler"; combined with "ARYAN", this is simply unacceptable. I'm sorry if you're sincerely confused about this, but you will have to get a username change if you want to continue editing here. DS 21:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unblock

I am very angry right now..... My user name was blocked by JDoorjam because she says its offensive....She never tried to contact me.....She never warned me that she was offended.....And she never even tried to learn about it....She just went ahead and blocked me....I mean its not my fault that she hasnt done her research on my name...She just blocked me & thats very mean & unfair.....Aryan is a common name in India, Iran, Armenia, Indonesia, Afghanistan, and a bunch of other countries throughout the world....Aryan is also common in Hinduism, Sikhism, & Buddhism.....I mean its not my fault that white people used it for racial reasons....Its not my fault that Hitler used it....And its not my fault that the Nazis used it!....But Aryan has been a common name for centuries & it is used throughout many different countries & in three world religions....This is my name for god sakes!...Can someone please unblock me because this is very unfair....And can someone email Jdoorjam & explain all this to her? Please tell her that next time she should be nice enough to talk to a person before she blocks them! I mean I cant even email her cuz she blocked me!

                                       ARYAN818 23:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unblocked

Hello,

I've unblocked you. Sorry for the inconvenience -- we get a lot of vandalism from nazis and racists, and admins have become very sensitive to anything which could give away such attitudes. I've asked the admin who blocked you not to block you again for this reason, and I have added a notice to your userpage about it. Feel free to edit this notice, or to remove it.--Eloquence* 00:24, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The "818"

Hello Aryan,

I had not seen the comments above when I unblocked you. Please do not blank your talk page -- it makes it harder to see what discussions have already happened. The point has been made above that the number "818" is nazi symbolism. I've never seen it used as such -- Google certainly doesn't indicate that it is very popular -- but I can understand the concern. Would you consider creating a new account with a different name, without the number "818"? Thanks,--Eloquence* 00:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

My apologies about this misunderstanding. If you do decide to get a new account, I strongly suggest you get your current account renamed (at WP:CHU), so that you keep the contributions you have already made. You should not register the new account name if you want to do this. Of course you should feel free to keep your current username as well. Let me know what you decide, Prodego talk 00:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting comments

Please do not delete comments without explanation. Thanks,--Eloquence* 01:15, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your user name

What does 818 signify? JDoorjam Talk 08:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

WEll thank you for finally asking me....Its an area code...I live in Los Angeles, and here in Los Angeles, one of the area codes out here is 818 ARYAN818 08:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

True, see Area code 818. The area code of San Fernando valley in Los Angeles is indeed 818. And Aryan is indeed a common Indian name, with no relation to Nazi-related connotations of the word "Aryan". Actually, communities in India have been calling themselves Aryan for more than 2500 years at least. Hitler only "borrowed" the term recently (compared to 2.5 millenia). --Ragib 08:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
it's the combination of the allcaps ARYAN, the number 818 (reminiscent of 88, 18), and the user's aggressive behaviour on race/ethnicity related topics. If user would just do harmless spellchecking edits, I think no-one would have commented on the name. As it is, the name is unsuitable, and if user has a genuine interest in contributing (rather than provocation), he could easily pick another name. It seems evident that user is not interested in contributing and should be classified as a troll (and be blocked on those grounds alone). With Ragib's reasoning, we couldn't block a user "Adolf88" claiming that his first name was Adolf (a perfectly normal first name), and his house number was 88. dab (ᛏ) 08:34, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the edit-warring in race-related pages is definitely harmful, and combined with the user name, it makes the users claims questionable. I would suggest ARYAN asks for a user name change, otherwise, people would continue to comment on the Nazi connection. (I'm not commenting on the user's edit patterns, on which I agree with dab.
By the way, I didn't know any Nazi connection of the number 88 to Nazism, until now. (So, I honestly wouldn't think twice about Adolph born in 1988 using the name Adolph88, unless he started edit-warring in Nazism related pages). --Ragib 08:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amazing

Really Amazing things may happen here on account of the Cultural divide! What applies to the personal name Aryan, same applies to the symbol Swastika used in India for more than 2,500 years. The Nazi did great harm to the people of the Indian subcontinent by mis-using their names and symbols. They, particularly Adolf Hitler surely did more direct harms to several other communities and nationalities. --Bhadani 14:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User name

Please do not block this username citing "appropriateness" without discussion. The conclusion that the username has Nazi connotations is very subjective and the user might have a valid reason that it may be something else. If there is a problem with the username, file an RFC. If the consensus is to rename the user, list the conclusion on WP:CHU. At the same time I request ARYAN818, to consider having his username renamed by placing a request on Wikipedia:Changing username. =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:00, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

ARYAN818, I think you must get your username changed, because even after clarification, people who don't know the meaning of your username will make the wrong conclusion and take offense. The "appropriateness" cause arises from it, and is still quite valid. This Fire Burns.....Always 16:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I do agree with Rama. The saying goes - what is there in a name? But, we can not expect everyone to accept this reality. When a person belonging to the Indian subcontinent could take offence to one's user name in an RfA, persons not exposed to names of the Indian subcontinent and India may certainly take serious objection to a user's normal user name on account of their infatuation. It is better to change your user name, if you wish to have a smooth life here. Perhaps, our process and policies are such that no one can guarantee that you shall not be blocked and banned for crimes committed by the Adolf Hitler and his gang! In view of such a reality, please think over the matter, and please get your user name changed as suggested by Rama. I have seen a user (a personal friend of mine) blocked (killed) for ever after 10 or 12 edits simply because his/her name was similar to certain names used by real or perceived sock-puppets. I have learnt that wiki-life is really dangerous - if some one decides to blocks me, I do not have any "real door" to knock! The red tape here is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Regards and all the beest! --Bhadani 17:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You changed my page again

The user Eloquence blanked my page so that he/she could explain for everyone to read my user name....Eloquence was trying to make it easier for anybody to find the information about why I should not be blocked, just in case somebody was trying to block me....And then you came along just now, and decided to erase that and put my page back to the way it was.....Can I ask you somethign....Why do you keep interfering with me? Cant you be nice and just leave me and my page alone? ARYAN818 08:13, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Check the history. I put the boilerplate for an indefinitely blocked user on your page once, after blocking your account. No one's reverted your page since Eloquence edited it (though he did remove his signature). Hope this clears up any confusion. JDoorjam Talk 18:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
An apology would be nice....I mean dont u feel guilty at all?...First u didnt bother talking to me before u blocked me....Then u blocked me for a reason was not legit...Aryan is a normal name....818 is an area code...Its not my fault that you are not educated in this matter....and the worst part is....you said that 88 is a code or something....But that doesnt make sense either...On Google their is barley anything on this "88", and even one wikipedia user, who lives in GErmany, even he said he has never heard of this 88 thing....and the funniest part of all is....I didnt even put an 88!...Mine says 818!....I mean look at all the frustrations you cause, and you dont even make any sense ARYAN818 19:09, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
if you didn't have childish racial delusions about the term "Aryan", there wouldn't be such a fuss about your username. As it is, you are barely evading blocks for trolling. dab (ᛏ) 20:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] comment placement

Over the last few days, I had to move your comments to the end of the page multiple times. When inserting a new comment, please add it the end of the page. That's not too hard ... there is a "+" button at the top of each talk page that allows you to do that with 1 click. Please make the life of others a little easier. --Ragib 20:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I didnt know it was such a life altering issue....My apologies your majesty ARYAN818 23:56, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
This is exactly the reason why you're getting such a hostile reception here. Ragib has kindly informed you of one of the MANY conventions followed here on Wikipedia and you reply with ego and sarcasm. You should consider that this is a community and there is a certain way of working - friendly notes to tell you about things should not been taken as telling offs. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 00:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Your one to talk...U made a page on Sikhism and u werent open minded to have one sentence setting up a link...please dont talk to me about a community & friendlyness ARYAN818 02:24, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Aryan, you are continuously disrupting article talk pages by placing comments at the top, while the norm is to place comments choronologically at the bottom. I already told you how to do so, if you need, a step by step screentshot can be provided (1. grab your mouse. 2. move the cursor to the top bar where you see "+", press the left button of the mouse and release it). Please refrain from adding your rants at the top of talk pages. Thank you. --Ragib 05:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Why is it such a major issue? DOesnt it make more sense to add things to the top of the page? When people view the discussion, most of them dont go to the bottom of the page and work their way to the top....Common sense ARYAN818 23:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
When you've made everybody else to convert to your ways, that'd make sense. Until then, please follow what the others are doing, and don't mess up the chronological ordering of the talk pages. --Ragib 01:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] I support your username

Hi, I have ethnic Indian roots and know two people who have the names of Aryan. Aryan is a very beautiful name and the 818 code is rubbish because any set of numbers can be converted into an evil message. I do however, recommend that the caps go (doesn't hurt the eyes) and you read all of Wikipedia's policies and be as kind as possible to anyone. It is time that people lose their prejudices over names like yours just because it was used by Hitler. They should grow up and learn how he changed Indian words into Nazi instead calling half of India as Nazis. GizzaChat © 08:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanx Gizza I agree...soo how do I make my user name in smaller caps? ARYAN818 06:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
The same place where you change your username in general, WP:CHU. There will be some hostile people there though. Please explain everything properly about the misconceptions of your username. I feel so sorry for you that so many guys here are attacking you when just joined this woderful place. GizzaChat © 07:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A "Wiki-convention"

Hey, when you post messages on talk pages and want to emphasise something, it is better to bolden the word rather than put caps. eg. this instead of THIS. I'm not sure it is official or anything, but it is a de facto rule, one step to making your life at Wikipedia better. GizzaChat © 09:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why I am making fun of your name

Aryan, as usual you miss the point - I criticize your username, not your name. The fact is I believe you must change it because you cannot avoid the fact that it does reflect a neo-Nazi symbol. As striking a coincidence it is, it is unfortunate that you picked this very combination of words and numbers when signing up.

The core issue between us is your behavior on Talk:Sikhism. You should not use capitalization, or speak derogatively to Sukh and others. Almost every statement you've made is in deriding and rude tones. We are all human beings, and everyone deserves equal respect. Unfortunately, you are pushing the envelope too far on this, as you have already been warned many times by many administrators.

You will find that a change in your behavior will see a major change in the way other editors talk to you. You will earn respect, and you'll find people willing to listen and respect your work. I went through this exact same thing in November 2005.

Frankly I believe you need to start by apologizing to Sukh. Start the dialogue again, with total respect for other people. And the incivility of Elven6 or anyone else is never an excuse to be rude yourself.

So relax, calm yourself and clear this bad blood between you and other editors. Give yourself a fresh start and realize that Wikipedia is about knowledge and nothing else. No grudges, conflicts or exchanges between editors will ever bear any importance here. So as you start over,


Welcome!

Hello, ARYAN818, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! This Fire Burns Always 18:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars. This Fire Burns Always 23:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

With regards to the discussion and reasoning here ([7]), you have been blocked for 48 hours. Blnguyen | rant-line 06:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Well im back...I dont know what I did wrong...I dont know why this person blocked me...But as always their is nothing I Can do...some people on Wikipedia just abuse their power....This person didnt even tell me what i did wrong or give me a warning....Just went ahead and blocked meARYAN818 05:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] response

I have put a response on the Hinduism and Sikh Panth talk page aimed at your comments. Sandeep S K 15:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

ਨਮਸਕਾਰ ਆਰੀਅਨ! नमस्कार आर्यन! I've replied to your message on my talk page. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 21:47, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] nut job vandalizing Sukh's edits Hinduism and the Sikh Panth

Please watch Hinduism and the Sikh Panth. This Sandeep S K has been messing it up and filling it with crap. Follow the edits of Talk. They're more scholarly and reliable (both are Sikhs). Netaji 21:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Well what can I do...THe user Sukh is just gonna abuse his power and block me if I change Sandeep's strange changes....Sukh agrees with Sandeep so I cant do anything ARYAN818 20:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hi

I've seen the contributions you have made and as a Sikh I don't agree with your views. However, one thing that I have noticed about you is that you seem to have a warrior's spirit. If you managed to use a little more logic and balance in doing things- I think you would make a great Sikh. You certainly have a Sikh warrior's spirit, which I admire and respect. What is your Gotra, caste or surname?--Pun si 00:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] even SRKs son's name is Aryan

even shah Rukh khan's (Indian film hero) son's name is Aryan. I dont understand why anyone is having a problem with your username.nids 17:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it seems very wierd to me that people blocked you without consulting you on your choice of username first. Maybe they simply didn't know about the fact that Aryan is a first name. There's even a film called Aryan I believe. I think the message you have placed on your userpage is helpful to the cause of keeping you unblocked. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent edit to the talk page on India

Please be aware that comments on a talk page are posted at the end of an ongoing discussion. Inserting comments in the middle (especially when they are redundant and have already been covered by other respondents) is considered bad Wikiettiquette and, if persisted in, can be considered vandalism. Fowler&fowler 00:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] for wp sikh editors

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/2006/December#.7B.7BSikh-bio-stub.7D.7D.2C_Category:Sikh_religious_figures The stub people wanted input from WP Sikh editors. While you're at it please check out {{User WikiProject Sikhism}} as well.Bakaman 04:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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