Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zoe (Spiritual Life)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. As for those wanting to merge, let me point out that the only stuff we could merge that would be relevant to Mere Christianity are a couple of excerpts from the book (and there is one already there). As for keeping the "historical context" section: that really doesn't make any sense at all in the Mere Christianity article: that isn't an article about this term. Mangojuice^talk 14:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zoe (Spiritual Life)

POV-pushing essay presenting theological speculation as fact, based on a single book pushing the theological opinions of a Christian apologist; making highly dubious claims about the Greek language with no reliable reference. The central claim that "Zoe" had a special "spiritual" meaning in Ancient Greek is quite probably simply wrong. Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:15, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

• Merge part of the article to Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis, a notable British author, but delete the "Historical context" section which seems to be original research.--TBCTaLk?!? 00:50, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Mere Christianity per TBC, but keep "historical context" if someone with a knowledge of Greek can verify. Xiong Chiamiov :: contact :: 01:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per above. Michael 07:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
• Merge, unless the term "Zoe" is notable in and of itself (and it doesn't appear to be), it shouldn't have its own article. Lankiveil 11:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC).
• Merge as per above, and expand description on Zoe disambiguation page. LinaMishima 12:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete. It's original research, the C.S. Lewis quotes need to go, not be merged, there's no evidence that zoe means "spiritual" life. The Greeks used the word "pneuma" for spirit. This stuff sounds way too New Age. "Spiritual" means relating to the supernatural, not relating to life. Also, this is the root word for zoology, the study of animal life. Yes, I know Greek, yes, I've read the NT in Greek. If anyone tries to merge this obvious garbage, I'll erase it as a service to Wikipedia. Billy Blythe 15:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: Are you saying I'm not notable?  :) User:Zoe|(talk) 20:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm certainly not notable, no need for an AfD for that :( LinaMishima 21:05, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - linguistically dubious OR. Ergative rlt 21:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment The sentence the Septuagint (LXX), uses the Greek word zoe as the word for "life" in the Book of Genesis along with a derivative of the same word to explain that man "became spiritually alive in his behavioral life-function of the soul."(Genesis 2:7) is unsourced; and reads like somebody's theological claim (perhaps Lewis's, although "behavioral life-function of the soul" is not Lewis's usual English). It should go.

As for the rest of it, both zoe and psyche are used for the spiritual life in the NT; bios is used only for "livelihood"; but this may be accident. (Both can mean that in Greek. See LSJ on bios A II, and Zoe A. These alaso outline the difference of force between the two words. ) Septentrionalis 19:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC) .

• Delete. The only part that's not original resource is a laundry list of quotes from C.S. Lewis. --Akhilleus (talk) 22:55, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment- There seems to be a very similar page at Zoe, Spiritual Life. Considering it's basically the same topic and even less developed, would anyone have a problem with this page meeting the same fate as the one nominated here? EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 16:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Sure, of course. The same user created these, at about the same time, and they were exact copies back then. For the time being, I've simply redirected the one to the other. Thanks for spotting this. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.--Peta 04:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.