Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Y-ME National Breast Cancer Organization

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep (after the move). Yomangani^talk 18:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Y-ME National Breast Cancer Organization

This article, and another I will also nominate, is a thinly veiled plug for a company that has raised funds for the Organization; indeed, the bulk of the article is about the Blue Plate company, not the Y-ME organization. The author of this article has submitted only one other article, also nominated for the same reasons. Both articles seem to contain what could be from the Blue Plate company newsletter. Emeraude 14:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reasons: Hephzibah Children's Association Emeraude 14:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Hephzibah. The following comment applies to Hephzibah: See Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations) which asserts "Organizations are usually notable if the scope of activities are national or international in scale and information can be verified by a third party source." A purely local group is not notable unless widely written-up in the press or in books. EdJohnston 16:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Y-ME No press references at all. Since this is a national group, it could be rewritten to escape the notability problem if it's IN FACT widely cited, and cited from a national point of view. With no references at all, it should be deleted.EdJohnston 16:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC) Keep EdJohnston 13:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable. Also had a copyvio, which I removed.[1] EVula 17:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and move to Y-ME per WP:NC. I have rewritten the article to cover Y-ME in neutral language, and included evidence of the organization's notability (coordinating the silicon breast implant safety campaign). --Dhartung | Talk 20:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I note with interest your finding of a NY Times article from 2003. It seems possible that Y-ME might be an activist group with wide influence. The NY Times notes they may have received funding from implant manufacturers. Surely this would have received press attention. Do you think you could find more articles on this issue (especially more recent ones)? EdJohnston 20:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to violate WP:AGF, but unless you live outside the United States, I fail to see how you could be unaware of Y-ME. There's a difference between being tough about WP:V and being disingenuous. I hope it's the former. --Dhartung | Talk 06:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

For whatever reason, I did not know of this group, though I live in the US. All articles should have references, even those on familiar topics.Your recent changes to the article have made it a lot better. EdJohnston 13:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• Strong keep for Y-ME. This is one of the biggest and most active breast cancer support and fundraising group in North America. They have 42 chapters and are active in hundreds of U.S. and Canadian cities and towns - teaming up cancer patients with long-term survivors, raising funds for breast cancer research, running mobile free mammogram services, and the like. They organize charity runs in hundreds of cities raising money for research. (In other words, it's far more than an "activist" organization.) They were originally an African-American organization, but now also reach out to all women (and men).

They've been reviewed by Charity Navigator [2] and by give.org, are mentioned in webmd.com [3], the Chicago Daily Herald [4], and as mentioned above the NY Times.

I can see that someone who has never had breast cancer might not know of this, but it is *very*, *very* notable. --Charlene.fic 21:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Comment Fair enough, but everything you've just mentioned is a web site. Are there any print commentaries on the organization since 2003? If the Daily Herald is a newspaper, can you get us a date and a page number? EdJohnston 22:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The Daily Herald is a newspaper that serves the western suburbs of Chicago. I'm not sure that particular article appeared in a print copy, since I found no mention of it at Lexis-Nexis (which does list the Herald). However, there's plenty of stuff to work with here: in addition to what I mentioned below, there are 67 Google scholar results, 39 Google news results, and 86,000+ overall google results. Zagalejo 23:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• Strong keep for Y-Me. With Lexis-Nexis, I found 197 major paper hits for "Y-ME National Breast Cancer Organization", plus 21 magazine hits. I don't want to list them all, but I'm sure that several of these articles must be out there (for free) if you do a little searching. Zagalejo 23:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment OK, I now see there are citations. I would change my vote to Keep if someone would add the most appropriate citations to the article. It doesn't look good to have the only reference be the organization's own web site. EdJohnston 03:13, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.