Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xtreme Wrestling Entertainment

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete — the votes fell 8/4 delete, with 2 for keep stating that they were weak; also, serious concerns about verifiability and notability were raised. --Gareth Hughes 22:12, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Xtreme Wrestling Entertainment

nn wrestling company of Jerry Bishop and other wrestlers which im about to put on VFD.Says in the article that it is a small professional wrestling company. Promotional also Delete --JAranda | watz sup 01:22, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete and a mass delete for the twenty wrestlers. -- Kjkolb 02:01, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. Dlyons493 Talk 03:25, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete complete unkown. I don't even see proof an organization with this exact name; in Logan, Ohio; has these wrestlers. But, even if everything in the article is verified, it's still not worthy of inclusion. --rob 05:08, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Plus the wikilinks in the article are all screwed up. - Sensor 05:53, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Dottore So 08:36, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - nn CLW 13:12, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Ganymead 16:11, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep insofar as this is a nascent organization growing in popularity in the midwest United States. As to the indivividual wreslers, Delete and re-do if the organization becomes more popular. Jtmichcock 13:45, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
• KEEP... I've actually heard of this organization and I'm not even into wrestling. But I agree about the individual wrestlers... get rid of those links and delete their articles. --Tedzsee 03:31, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
• Comment does it pass the test in WP:CORP? Vegaswikian 06:49, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

This is M. W. Secoy and I am the one who started the XWE page. Now, I don't seem to see what kind of a problem this site has with small pages, but this is a huge work in progress which I can only attend to a handfull of days a week. I plan on adding much more content on the sites, pictures and all at permission of the company and would like to hope I can continue to slowly build this site without having to worry about this sites standards. From what I can see, this is a harmless page without foul language or nudity. It's a chance to show off a small company of hard workers on a broader scale. The intent of starting this site was so that we could possibly have people have might be searching for independent wrestling stumble upon the site, gain interest from it and check it out. No where have I shoved any advertisement on the site, nor have I even listed the adress of the building. As for the link issue, I don't seem to see what it is you are talking about. I click on the links to get back from wrestler to the XWE and they seem to work just fine for me. Again, I know this seems like a small site but trust me, it's a work in progress and I'm doing it for the benefit of many great hard working guys. Besides, what could it hurt? Do you guys get paid to surf around and find web pages started by people that you don't think is worthy of Wiki? There's a webpage about XWE on Wiki. So what? What does it really matter to you? No real skin off your nose in the long run, right? Why not just leave it be if it's only showcasing a growing thing in Ohio? Like I stated before, it's an innocent site without foul language, nudity, or other things like that. Delete those pages, but leave this one alone? Thank you for listening.

M. W. Secoy

• • There is a harm in having an article on such an unknown organization. None of the information in the article, can be confirmed with reliable sources. Information, on a well known group, like World Wrestling Entertainment can easily be verified, and false information quickly removed. Anybody could put anything in this article, and other editors would have no way of knowing what's real and what's not. Also, wikipedia isn't a venue for promotion, and we don't give free advertising. Advertising costs money, this page has a cost, even though you and I may not be the ones paying. --rob 02:27, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Question for M. W. Secoy: in this case, how professional is "professional"? I assume that money must surely change hands, but do the wrestlers generally consider their involvement with Xtreme Wrestling Entertainment to be their career and primary source of income, or is it something they do as a hobby or "on the side"? To compare this subject with precedents set by previous articles, we generally keep truly professional sports organisations, but generally do not keep amateur/hobbyist organisations. In either case, please do not consider this anything personal against XWE. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:25, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Right now, I still don't see this as anything other than NN vanity. Also questionable violation of WP:NOT. Every semipro wrestler in the country will end up being listed if this continues. I reiterate: delete but without prejudice to Mr. Secoy's right to repost the article if something notable about the league comes up. - Sensor 00:03, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

• Weak Keep I enjoy watching wrasslin', but minor league wrestling companies such as XWE are more than likely going to be only trivia for wrestling fanatics ten years from now. The only reason for siding on the side of Keep instead of Delete for me is that the Professional wrestling promotion article includes a whole bunch of redlinks for minor wrestling promotions such as these. A short article, detailing the highlights of the promoytions history would be appropriate, along with an external link to the companies website might be appropriate. Listing every wrestler and making an article for the same, definitely is not. Caerwine 18:37, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

• Very, very, very weak Keep. Even though I want to say Delete on this one, they do establish a sliver of notablility (per Caerwine). --WikiFanatic^{Talk Contribs 22:34, 15 October 2005 (CDT)}
  • How can we verify the organization exists as described? --rob 04:16, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.