Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winpopup LAN Messenger

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. — Feb. 27, '06 [08:08] <freakofnur_xture|talk>

[edit] Winpopup_LAN_Messenger

I say leave it alone, this self promotion claims occur too often on wiki. self promotion Crea7or 20:18, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

• For everyone's info, if it means anything, all of this nom's contributions are related to LanTalk XP and [[LanTalk NET] (See their deletion logs. Thanks. --Perfecto 02:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. While I cringe at some of Crea7or's contributions, this seems to be non-notable software. --Karnesky 09:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Per others. UncleFloyd 03:40, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I am not agree with deletion: Fomine 10:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Crea7or is direct competitor of the Winpopup LAN Messenger.
• This page is not promotion. It is short information only. See this page [1] if you are looking promotion.
• "this seems to be non-notable software" - the software is contained in non-large segment of the market (LAN Messenger). But it is significant in this segment. So it is well founded to have this page if the wikipedia have LAN Messenger page.
  • Can you explicate the significance in the limited segment? Approximate marketshare? Or userbase compared to other products in the market? Or do you have notable press on the product that wasn't sourced by the company who makes the software?--Karnesky 11:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
    • You are right, there is no public info about userbase, downloads or sales. I have no objective comparison. I have only stats for two softwares in this segment and my subjective vision about competitors. Have I ineterest ? - Yes. Am I expert in this subject ? I guess - Yes. That is why I edit common topics like LAN Messenger, Winpopup, etc. and I do not touch my competitors pages. Fomine 14:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Vitaly, you have commercial interest here ( As me some time ago ). One of wiki admins has told me about wiki policy and commercial interest is not acceptable here at all. Links to commercial sites I also not acceptable as Perfecto told me. Please understand me and delete your links if you want to keep this article - but it have no encyclopedic info and will be deleted by the other users I think ( and I see the conforming answers here). This is not a software archive like "1000 new programs".crea7or
        • Pavel (Crea7or), this article is just short facts about the software (not promotion). The homepage url is fact also, and the description will be partial without the homepage. I do not understand what wrong with this link ?! Each commercial org promoute its products at theirs homepages. Do you offer to remove all external links ? I see the difference between wikipedia and my site, thanks Perfecto too. Fomine 20:21, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
        • Pavel (Crea7or), it is ok, when independent person initiate such deletion process. But you are my competitor, and you have your commercial interest that is opposite to mine. You think that this article is advertisement. All others contributors has some doubt in "significance in the limited segment" only. What do you think is the Winpopup LAN Messenger adequate item of the LAN Messengers ? 20:21, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
          • I will not initiate deletion again if your page will not be deleted. But I know and you know that all these articles about winpopup, Net Send, Winpopup LAN Messenger only for keyword catching from google search results. Net send is a part of net command that relevant to your messenger, Winpopup LAN messenger is relevant words for your messenger, the real name of your messenger is Fomine Messenger. It's a game, but not the real knowledge. When I found your page in the wikipedia, I have created my own. My page has been deleted. I just wanted to check your too. --Crea7or 21:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
            • All these articles winpopup, Net Send, Winpopup LAN Messenger has no spam links. Fomine 23:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
            • "...that relevant to your messenger" - Yes, my knowledges is relevant to my software. Fomine 23:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
            • "the real name of your messenger is Fomine Messenger" - it is incorrect statement. Everyone can download and install it to see the name. Fomine 23:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.