Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WOJO
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was KEEP. >: Roby Wayne Talk • Hist • E@ 05:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] WOJO
This article is just taking up space. Wikipedia can't have an article on every radio station. Banana04131 04:00, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Delete Non-notable. Banana04131 04:00, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Keep and cleanup. Radio station in Chicago, a large city, and Wikipedia has articles on many of its competitors. Capitalistroadster 04:05, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, licensed radio station. Kappa 15:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, Disagree with Banana, licensed radio stations are notable. Karmafist 15:41, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Keep strong precedent for listing radio stations on wikipedia.--Isotope23 18:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Wikipedia is not paper and we already have plenty of radio station articles. 23skidoo 18:26, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Since no-one is saying it, and there's an obvious precedent for including radio stations, Speedy keep. Dottore So 20:01, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Exactly. Speedy keep. And by the way, can anyone explain to me why we can't, theoretically, have an article on every radio station? Right now the precedent includes most, but not all of them, and I'm not saying that that should necessarily be changed, but... we could, if the Wikipedia community agreed to it, indeed have an article on every radio station, right? This isn't Encyclopedia Brittanica around here, and thank god. --Jacquelyn Marie 21:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- I don't object to keeping significant radio stations, I think there the ones that only have W and K call signs, but very small stations should be excluded. One source says there's 12,000 commercial radio stations in the U.S., so I suppose it's possible to include them all. However, the worldwide number is much higher, probably between 50,000 and 150,000. -- Kjkolb 02:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Right now, "very small stations" are defined by precedent as being no larger in scope than one city. And I'm not arguing that the precendent should change. Just pointing out the possibilities. :) --Jacquelyn Marie 04:29, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- So we need to drop all of the ones that begin with C in Canada where many have a large number of listeners in the US? Using only 2 of the beginning letters for call signs is not the way this wiki should work. It is not only about the US. Vegaswikian 05:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- I was talking about establishing notability for U.S. stations only, not criteria for other countries. I'm kind of stumped trying to figure out how it could have been interpreted otherwise. W and K only have meaning in the U.S. as far as I know, and it would be nonsensical to exclude radio stations from other countries on that basis. Anyway, the point was that, from looking at the FCC website, it looks like very small stations in the U.S. get call signs like NJ9AZ and the commercial/bigger stations in the U.S. get the four letter call signs that begin with W or K.
- Random point: commercial radio stations aren't the only notable ones, I think. I think if a station is commercial, that is more of a guarantee that it will be notable, though. --Jacquelyn Marie 15:22, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- However, that criteria may be too inclusive. 12,000 radio stations is a lot and if the stations in the rest of the world are judged by similar criteria, relevant to the country it's in, it will be a lot of stations. If there's only 50,000 stations in the world that would meet the criteria, it would be 6% of the total pages we currently have in Wikipedia (19% if it's 150,000). -- Kjkolb 09:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Maybe we could create something like WP:MUSIC for radio stations? --Jacquelyn Marie 15:22, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Sounds like a good idea. I think the current, informal criteria is whether is notable outside the area, but that doesn't make much sense to me. In mountainous areas, signals don't travel very far and if you can't hear the station, how would it become notable? Even the coastal range here in California (2 to 3 thousand feet where I live) severely limits the range of local stations. I also think that there could be non-commercial stations that are notable, although I think the big ones still get the W and K call signs and that the 12,000 number includes even small commercial stations. (I'm not saying that any station without them is non-notable, though). I'll look into developing criteria. -- Kjkolb 08:56, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- I was talking about establishing notability for U.S. stations only, not criteria for other countries. I'm kind of stumped trying to figure out how it could have been interpreted otherwise. W and K only have meaning in the U.S. as far as I know, and it would be nonsensical to exclude radio stations from other countries on that basis. Anyway, the point was that, from looking at the FCC website, it looks like very small stations in the U.S. get call signs like NJ9AZ and the commercial/bigger stations in the U.S. get the four letter call signs that begin with W or K.
- I don't object to keeping significant radio stations, I think there the ones that only have W and K call signs, but very small stations should be excluded. One source says there's 12,000 commercial radio stations in the U.S., so I suppose it's possible to include them all. However, the worldwide number is much higher, probably between 50,000 and 150,000. -- Kjkolb 02:21, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Exactly. Speedy keep. And by the way, can anyone explain to me why we can't, theoretically, have an article on every radio station? Right now the precedent includes most, but not all of them, and I'm not saying that that should necessarily be changed, but... we could, if the Wikipedia community agreed to it, indeed have an article on every radio station, right? This isn't Encyclopedia Brittanica around here, and thank god. --Jacquelyn Marie 21:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Redirect to Barney Millerspeedy keep Grutness...wha? 23:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)- Comment I am all in favor of articles on significant radio stations, such as some of the American superstations, or radio stations such as CJCA (one of my (blush) articles) which have some important historical heritage. However, most radio stations are like most schools in that they are utterly ordinary and devoid of any individual character. Denni☯ 08:00, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Keep - Licensed radio station. --rob 04:37, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.
