Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vicky Smallman

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The result was no consensus. --Coredesat 21:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vicky Smallman

Running for office on behalf of a ward in municipal elections doesn't meet WP:BIO. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christine Leadman and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gary Ludington. Aecis ^{I'm too busy acting like I'm not naive.} 13:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, not notable unless she wins (and maybe not even then). NawlinWiki 17:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:BIO and WP:C&E. -David Schaich ^Talk/_Cont 17:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, If anything all candidates for upcoming elections should have entries where possible for use by voters. Just because they're highly localized entries, does not mean they aren't meaningful to a portion of Wikidepia's readership. This is especially true for the Ottawa Election as of Oct 11th, now that the financing on O-Train is dependent on ratification by the soon-to-be-newly elected council. Removal of non-winning candidates can be scheduled for after the election.Besides, I find it odd that only candidates for this highly contested ward are being marked for deletion so close to the election date. At least be consistent.user:Dogboots --

Comment: The Ottawa Citizen just ran a remakably lengthy bio on Ms. Smallman [1] (subscription required) on Saturday October 14th, focusing on her fairly unique combination of first time candidacy with first time parenthood. Would that satisfy the WP:BIO? To be clear, I'd rather all the candidatates in this ward (and others) keep their enties, not just Smallmanuser:Dogboots —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.217.123.58 (talk • contribs) 12:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Seems already notable to satisfy WP:BIO. Ottawa Sun article about her [2] and a Hill Times writer. [3]Oops. Ottawa Sun article writte BY her. Still, as a Hill Times reporter, she has notability. Update. I just noticed that Ottawa Citizen article about her (per Dogboots) and it appears unbiased and seems to confirm notability. Vote changed to "Keep" --Marriedtofilm 00:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Other Ottawa non-incumbent candidate entries - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Biocchi - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_S._Haydon Toronto non-incumbent candidate entries - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Perruzza - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gord_Perks - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Dominelli - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Kennedy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Vaughan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sewell - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Newman_%28politician%29 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Parker_%28Canadian_politician%29 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Thomas_%28Canadian_politician%29 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Sandor - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ainslie - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarjeet_Chhabra

Comment: I've looked through them (by the way, you can link to articles using [[article name]]). Many of them are notable for reasons other than these current elections -- for example, several held other elected positions, such as Mayor, Councillor, or LAO member, one was an olympic athlete, and so on. (In fact, some of the articles don't mention these current elections at all.) The others, I'm sure, will shortly be nominated for deletion now that they have been conveniently listed. They don't affect this discussion. -David Schaich ^Talk/_Cont 14:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Biocchi is a former Olympic athlete. Haydon is a former mayor. Perruzza and Parker are former MPPs. Perks is notable as an environmentalist. Dominelli, Kennedy and Sewell are former city councillors attempting a return to council; that they're not current incumbents doesn't make them non-notable. Vaughan is a notable television journalist. Newman is a former provincial party leader. And Ainslie is an incumbent; that he was appointed to replace another councillor rather than being elected in 2003 does not make him any less an incumbent. And Thomas has stood as a major party candidate in a federal election — the notability of federal election candidates is a bit contested on Wikipedia, but the absolute minimum he's entitled to per Wikipedia precedent is to be merged into New Democratic Party candidates, 2004 Canadian federal election. Which leaves only Sandor and Chhabra as valid comparisons to the matter at hand, and either one of them is a perfectly valid AFD candidate as soon as somebody actually nominates them. Bearcat 04:56, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, Kitchissipi is one of the most watched wards in the upcoming Ottawa elections. At least three of the candidates have wiki pages, the pages are relevant and don't read like vanity. --ottawan

• Despite my smackdown of the "she's just as notable as John Sewell" argument above, I'm actually indecisive about this; she is at least moderately well-known in political circles, particularly through her former prominence in the Canadian Federation of Students. I knew who she was a decade ago, and I'm not all that well-connected politically. Whether she's notable enough for Wikipedia at this point, I'm not sure, but she does have some notability. And, for that matter, the election is exactly one month away — since they're in a ward whose incumbent did not stand for reelection, Smallman or one of the other two Kitchissippi candidates currently under AFD will be entitled to come back in just a few weeks. (The AFD machine has already taken on bios of Ottawa city councillors and determined that Ottawa is one of those cities large and notable enough that its municipal council can be considered notable; the precedent on AFD isn't that municipal politicians are never notable, but that it depends on variables like the size of the city.) So all in all, she's near my personal dividing line; I'm just not sure which side of it she's on. Bearcat 18:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, NawlinWiki and David Schaich. Local election candidates don't meet WP:BIO --Aaron 20:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Delete just like all otherwise nn Election candidates. The article makes no claim to notability besides being a regional chair of CFS and running in this election. There are thousands of candidates in the upcoming Ontario municipal elections, none should have articles unless otherwise notable for something else. Fails WP:BIO -- Chabuk 19:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I agree completely with Bearcat. She's on the cusp of notability. I had heard of her from the summer of 2005 when I was talking with some people about the municipal election. Apparently she is pretty famous among local New Democrats. -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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