Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/VNNTU

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The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 08:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VNNTU

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Non-notable student organisation, best known for skirmishes with a similar group in another university. Google for "VNNTU" shows only 70 unique Ghits. [1] No source for the claim that they are "one of the largest Vietnamese student societies in a university outside Vietnam." Prod contested, with the explanation: "Remove the proposed deletion because i don't agree that VNNTU is not a notable student organisation. It is an organisation of about 500 bright and talented students." Delete unless they can be shown to be any different from the other 1,234 groups of "about 500 bright and talented students" in universities elsewhere. Kimchi.sg 07:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Any of you guys here read Vietnamese? JohnT155.69.5.236 19:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Precedents for deletion of non-notable student organisation articles: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University of Limerick History Society, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warps. Kimchi.sg 08:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Appears to be of local interest only. Student organizations often make it into local news for pranks and the like. --Fuhghettaboutit 07:53, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. How about the fact that VNNTU is one of the two biggest Vietnamese bodies in Singapore?

Although the premier role of the organisation is to help Vietnamese students in NTU to get used and adapt better to the environment, it also plays an important role in bringing the Vietnamese people, which has been shut out for many years, towards the rest of the world. I have seen many good activities of VNNTU aiming toward fostering awareness about the Vietnamese culture and Vietnamese people.

4 years ago, it is surprised that although the two countries (Singapore and Vietnam) are not far away (only 1 hours 45 minutes flight), most of the Singaporeans had very little or no idea about how their neighbour country is like. When asked many mistook that the Vietnamese people are Chinese ethnic and speak Chinese; whereas many others think that Vietnam is still in war (the last war was ended in 1979)... Nowadays, I think that the image of the Vietnamese people has been more well-established in Singapore, thanks to VNNTU and its sister organisation, VNCNUS.

As for the claim that VNNTU is one of the biggest Vietnamese organisation in the world by the author, I would like to correct it as "one of the biggest Vietnamsese organisation in a single university in the world". Hopefully I can find some proof to back up this claim soon..

202.156.6.54 14:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Would any of your statements about VNNTU be verifiable through sources other than the group's records? If no reliable sources can be found for the article, :( :( For articles about school societies that demonstrate the notability we're looking for, take a look at OUCA and Cambridge Union Society. Kimchi.sg 17:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete non-notable Bwithh 14:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non notable, although I applaud the aims. I must add in an aside that claims re a 'classy' and 'advanced' voting system really should be referenced. (A reference would not affect my opion that this is NN, BTW.} Colonel Tom 15:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, nn. --Terence Ong 16:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - I speak Vietnamese if that means anything. I doubt that a uni student group can be influential in "bring the Vietnamese people .... towards the rest of the world" - can you provide sources that show many people identify their knowledge of Vietnam with VNNTU? Probably awareness between Singapore and Vietnam is due to things like ASEAN, APEC, SEAGames, etc, trading and tourism. Also - "bright and talented" is not particularly relevant unless they have won lots of academic competitions, etc, which does not appear to be the case. As to being "one of the biggest Vietnamsese organisation in a single university in the world", I'm sure this is wrong, the biggest would all be in Vietnam by a long, long way.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 01:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

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