Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University of New South Wales Revues

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus; default to keep. Mangojuice^talk 19:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] University of New South Wales Revues

Deletion nomination An article about amateur student shows. Article does not assert encyclopedic notability as a cultural event. Wikipedia is not a free webhost for university societies and groups. Also the first time (June 2005) this was nominated for afd, the discussion and closure was a travesty. Discussion was closed as keep when there was only a single vote in the whole discussion (excluding nominator). This was a keep voter claimed that this subject had 6,150 google hits. In fact, "unsw revues" brings up only approx. 66 unique google hits excluding Wikipedia and a large proportion of these hits appear to be spam sites or mirrors of wikipedia [1]. Searching for "University of New South Wales revues" gets a single hit[2], excluding wikipedia and wikipedia mirrors and spam sites(the freedictionary sites look like spam sites to me). Approx. 9 unique hits (some spammy again) for "unsw revue"[3]. Zero hits for "university of new south wales revue"[4]. Finally searching for "university of new south wales" + "revue" or "revues" poses a problem, as Revue is a French word for Review or Journal used for French language publications - this academic term produces a very inflated ghit count of 70,000+[5]. However, if one excludes French language pages and limits the search to "university of new south wales"+"revues", there are only approx. 65 unique ghits with significant spamminess[6] The singular term variation produces approx. 95 unique hits with spamminess [7](mistakenly searched for plural term - singular term produces too many French uses even with English filter, but if I take out some common french words (de, du, le), I get ~218 unique ghis with the singular "revue"[8]). Some content of this article could be merged to University of New South Wales. Bwithh 05:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: Disclosure: I'm a UNSW student, but still a AFD regular, so I'll abstain from voting due to conflict-of-interest. I'd like to point out that your search techniquie was flawed since there is no combined "UNSW Revues" society or show for anyone online to refer to, hence the lack of Google hits for that term. Remember that this Wikipedia article is a combination article for all four shows. Here's a better breakdown:

• ("law revue" unsw -wikipedia) = 6,720
• ("cse revue" unsw -wikipedia) = 5,250
• ("med revue" unsw -wikipedia) = 1,130
• ("arts revue" unsw -wikipedia) = 52 (only started this year)

--  Netsnipe  ^(Talk)  05:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Thanks, but actually I accounted for this with my final search(number 7 in the nomination) for "unsw" + "revue" minus French language pages, which generated ~95 unique hits (Actually I didn't. My mistake there). I get ~83 hits for "law revue"+"unsw" -site:wikipedia.org on English pages[9]. Your law revue search of all languages gets ~104 unique ghits [10]. CSE revue gets ~85 unique ghits on all languages[11] Bwithh 05:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
  • ~218 unique ghits for the singluar revue term, with enhanced filtering out of french pages[12] Bwithh 05:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Amateur student revues are generally non-notable. --Metropolitan90 05:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete individual student events at a single school. Not notable, regardless of how much Google-monkeying goes into it. Opabinia regalis 06:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep A set of shows with that length history should be completely verifiable. Notability is in the eye of the beholder, and a personal belief that you know what "notability is" will get you nowhere on wikipedia. Article needs outside reviews from critics to verify its claims and to comment on them in a way a student website or yahoo group cannot. Ansell 06:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non notable, or at least merge into universities article if its even notable to the university. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 14:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. I can't find many verifiable references to the revues. I would vote to keep if I could. Possibly worth a mention in the article on the University of New South Wales. Capitalistroadster 04:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Note: The UNSW Law Revue does get occasional press coverage in the Sydney Morning Herald. Google (law revue unsw site:smh.com.au) --  Netsnipe  ^(Talk)  06:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 04:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - not a notable topic. Metamagician3000 10:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete completely unencycylopedic.Blnguyen | rant-line 06:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep & Merge - Strong history linked to the UNI Feedyourfeet 00:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This was crap in its original form (which I voted to delete last time it was nominated and kept), but has been substantially rewritten, and serves as an interesting article now. I've never been to UNSW, but I find this article quite interesting. Rebecca 05:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete college amateur dramatics are not notable. BlueValour 04:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep it! It's useful information, and fully within the ambit of some of Wikipedia's other subject matters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.94.6.28 (talk • contribs) .
• Keep - per the previous user. (JROBBO 13:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC))

• Keep - as above. (The 'list of shows' section can go.) If you must, rename the article UNSW Performances or UNSW Entertainment or UNSW Clubs and Societies etc. It would be nice to see something about the stuff that the School of Dance does, also Circusoc, and the like.A J Hay 11:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable outside of campus... Medico80 15:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - I thought we settled this ages ago. Uni revues attract press coverage and spawn television and professional theatre careers. Joestella 15:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: I'd just like to point out for comparison Footlights and Cambridge Circus (comedy) are university revues from which Monty Python originated from. In Australia, The D-Generation and The Ronnie Johns Half Hour are notable TV shows whose roots originated in Australian university revues (including UNSW's own for the latter). --  Netsnipe  ^(Talk)  20:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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