Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Massacres

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Mailer Diablo 05:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish Massacres

I have neither particular historical knowledge of, nor interest in, the Armenian-Turk, Greco-Turk, Bulgarian-Turk etc. conflicts, and the associated historical grievances. This article, though, is a mess of propagandistic and of course blatantly POV invective regarding alleged massacres in the course of these conflicts. The sources cited are either not online or clearly partisan, and are at any rate not specific to the individual allegations. I realise AfD is not a content dispute forum, but I think that this sort of text cannot be usefully NPOVed (or merged), and that the article itself is a POV fork of the existing articles on the history of these conflicts. An article on "Turkish Massacres" (or rather, "Massacres of Turks", which is what is meant) during many very different conflicts has no systematic value to the encyclopedian, only to the propagandist. (Contested PROD, of course.) Sandstein 13:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

• Merge the more notable cases that can be properly sourced into Genocides in history while assuring NPOV treatment (which I think is quite possible if you have access to the sources, which I do not). --Lambiam^Talk 14:13, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• I believe the article is a bit too one sided and serves to counter the claims made in the Armenian Genocide article. There's information that reads that Armenians attempted to assassinate the leader of Turkey in 1901, Sultan Abdul-Hamid. However, it doesn't include as to why they did it (see Hamidian massacres) and leaving that information out is like writing an article on Germany and stating that in July 1944, some Germans decided to arbitrarily assassinate Adolf Hitler -- as if for no apparent reason! This article can be tidied up by using better references but in its current state, I motion for it to be removed.--MarshallBagramyan 16:44, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Bombing of Dresden in World War II is an uber Holocaust compared to any resistance against Turkish/Kurdish forces done by either Greeks or Armenians during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. This is most definetly a pov fork. I suppose an article about the resistance should exist but not in this ridiculous state and with this absurd title.--Eupator 17:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I agree, the article is just a list of grievances without historical context or explanation. --Benorim 19:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. -- NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, this article has presented a set of largely isolated incidents as a series of atrocities committed against the Turks. While they did happen, this article is inherently POV as it only presents one side of things. I think an article like this is redundant, but if one should exist, it should list all atrocities committed in the area - by Turks and non-Turks alike. --Telex 21:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, especially blatant unsourced statement for Bulgarians killing (rather than more likely displacing) 2 million Turks, even greater conspiracy than other known genocides?  /FunkyFly.talk_   22:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Per above. And a comment: perhaps the editors of this article tried hard to find massacres committed by the Greeks, that's why they listed even a battle (Dervenakia) there!!! The words 'massacre' and 'genocide' have definitions that cannot be compatible with this article... --Hectorian 01:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Hakob 05:10, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Per above. I have to admit it provided entertaining reading. These guys try to spin the unspinnable. We all know the massacres happened the other way! --   Avg    09:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. There isn't a shred of truth to that article.--Moosh88 00:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete (I was the PRODer). Not fitting into structure of articles about Turkish history as a start. Pavel Vozenilek 02:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.