Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Traci Topps

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Deathphoenix ʕ 04:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Traci Topps

Article about a pornographic films actress; no assertion of meeting either WP:BIO or WP:PORNBIO. Valrith 20:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, per nom. Also unsourced. PJM 20:47, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

She's a well-known porn industry figure, with dozens of videos to her credit, hundreds of magazine appearances and thousands of webpages referencing her (110,000 pages referencing the term "traci topps" in Google).

Google result counts are not considered reliable in determining the notability of porn actresses, as pornographic web sites routinely use spamdexing techniques. The only reliable conclusions that can be drawn from Google hit counts on porn stars are claims of non-notability stemming from a low number of results. Zetawoof^(ζ) 21:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

• The page should stay, so long as any information in the entry is disambiguous, verifiable, truthful and accurate. She's as worthy of an entry in Wikipedia as Danni Ashe, SaRenna Lee or Pandora Peaks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.9.105.155 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per current article, doesn't seem to pass WP:BIO or WP:PORNBIO. If the anonymous user above has additional information which might suggest notability under these guidelines, they should add it to the article. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 21:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Okay, here's some examples of where she meets the criteria for WP:PORNBIO:
    1. Performer has been a Playboy Playmate (of the Year or Month) or a Penthouse Pet (of the Year or Month).

       She has not been a Playboy Playmate, but has featured in Playboy magazine and starred in the top-selling Playboy soft-porn video/DVD, Playboy's Voluptuous Vixens|http://www.amazon.co.uk/Playboy-Voluptuous-Vixens/dp/B00004CYTU

    2. Performer has made unique, noteworthy contributions to his or her field.
    3. Is the performer noted for beginning a trend in pornography?

       She helped to start and formed part of a major trend in the porn industry during the late 1980s and 1990s as a breast expansion model.

    4. Performer has been notable or prolific within a specific genre niche.

       Notable and successful as a big breast model, appearing on the covers and centrefolds of hundreds of top-shelf magazines across the globe, including SCORE, Playboy and Hustler. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.125.102.222 (talk • contribs) 00:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Relatively well-known pornstar. — Joshua Johaneman 01:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment How does an unidentified porn star get recognized by the Service Corps of Retired Executives (SCORE) as is claimed? This article does not contain "any information (that) is disambiguous, verifiable, truthful and accurate." This looks like it should have been an A3 (No content whatsoever) Speedy Delete. --141.156.232.179 18:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep based on above points. However, these points need to be copied into the article so that the assertion for notability is included there. Having the facts here is not the way this works. Vegaswikian 21:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: agree with Vegaswikian, and besides the above 4 points, one should also mention that her stardom name and pictures are and since years have been popping up on many Internet porn sites. It should not be hard to verify that fact. — SomeHuman 3 Oct 2006 21:20 (UTC)
• Comment Danni Ashe, SaRenna Lee and Pandora Peaks all have real names and birth dates ... there is no real information here except for the size of her breasts in 1999, and her talk page says that she had her implants removed. The only articles that link to it (Chloe Vevrier and SaRenna Lee) have photographs, birth dates, and real names ... if this article had as much information, it would not be a candidate for deletion. There is more information available on any of Playboy's monthly Playmates than there is in this article. Keeping this article just lowers the standards of Wikipedia and opens the door for being able to add any nude model who has ever appeared in a few dozen magazines or Web sites, which is not in itself very notable. OTOH, using articles like Malin Andersson as the standard, the admins will probably allow it to stay, even though Traci Topps has never been worthy of a single appearance in Playboy. --72.75.71.147 23:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: The photographs you seem to count as a quality characteristic, are available on many more than a few dozen web sites, but there is that catch about copyright... An AfD is not about deleting incomplete articles. I hope all IP signatures count as 'vote' (especially as some are well argumented): some people might not like even their usernames to be known as well-informed on this subject. For the moment those are at +2 / -2 anyway. — SomeHuman 4 Oct 2006 00:04 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.