Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Townsville Primary School

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The result of the debate was delete keep rewrite. Coffee 05:43, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Townsville Primary School and Townsville_Primary_School/Temp

Primary schools are not notable. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Delete. Proto t c 10:22, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

The article is a known copyright violation and so there is a rewrite in progress on Townsville_Primary_School/Temp. The original article will be deleted as a copyright violation, so please address mainly the merits of the rewrite. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 22:42, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

*Delete - Individual schools at any level may be notable. But, there's nothing claimed, that would make this school notable. --rob 11:07, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete - "Townsville"?? This has to be a joke.
  • Note "Townsville" is the fictional city where the Powerpuff Girls live. Despite the silliness, though, there are several real-world locations with the same name. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 11:50, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
  • Further note - Townsville is also a major city in Australia. Yes a town that's a ville is a city. That's Australia for you ;) Grutness...wha? 01:12, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable school. FYI, it really exists somewhere in the central part of Singapore. *drew 11:58, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete NN DV8 2XL 12:24, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

*comment: it's real and it's a copyvio of http://www.townsvillepri.moe.edu.sg/history.htm . While I think we should carry forward with the deletion (since the sole conent is a small copy/paste), I would actually support a future article on the school, if done properly, given the fact this elementary school is bigger than a lot of high schools (including my own). But, I don't beleive in keeping stubs in the name of "hope". So, carry on with the delete. --rob 13:16, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete as a copyvio. I tagged it too. --Apyule 13:31, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

change vote to weak keep for new article. --Apyule 05:26, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

• Keep it needs work, granted but the life of every shild and young person is shaped more by their school than anything else. If the individual schools who make children into the adults they will one day become aren't notable than this entire project, this so called "sum of all human knowledge" (User:Jimbo Wales), is moot. HoratioVitero 15:26, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• weak delete High Schools are notable. Anything below is more difficult to say... Roodog2k 16:24, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• delete nn school --TimPope 17:28, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• keep please but fix the violations Yuckfoo 17:29, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Primary school is not intrinsically notable. Sdedeo 18:11, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, useless article of a totally non notable elementary school. Also per Schools for Deletion. Gateman1997 18:23, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • I have rewritten the copyright violation and added the rewrite to this VfD. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 18:28, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
    • My vote still stands.Gateman1997 18:41, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep rewritten version and expand. The school passes notability tests because it was officially opened by the Singapore Minister of State for Defence, Trade and Industry, Lee Hsien Loong, and was the subject of an official visit by Queen Elizabeth II. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 18:28, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
  • The Queen appears at about 100 events per year. Other members of the Royal Family attend functions at about the same rate. Can we attempt to establish notability, not notability by proxy? Pilatus 19:13, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Notability is established precisely by proxy. The claim of notability is that it was opened by a senior minister of the Singapore government and visited by the head of state of the United Kingdom. Other schools are said to be notable because some of their students went on to become famous (a movie star, a Senator, a major writer, and so on). It's all by proxy. Even John Wilkes Booth only has an article because the chap he aimed his gun at was a President and not a toilet cleaner. Booth has absolutely no other claim to notability. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 23:23, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
      • The Queen's building of Cardiff University on the Cathays Park site were opened by the Queen and consequently deserve an article because of that? The Queen opens dozens of buildings each year! I can't see why you are mentioning John Wilkes Booth either. Are you implying that anyone became a Head of State precisely because he attended Townsville primary school? The autism program the school is involved in is more notable, however, I feel that that program deserves an entry, not a school which is involved in it. It's the equivalent of having a List of roads in Washington, DC and no entry on the White House. Pilatus 14:17, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete This article doesn't even attempt to justify its existence here. Burn it with fire! Pilatus 19:09, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete notability not established. Hamster Sandwich 21:16, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. --Carnildo 21:38, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per User:Soltak/Views#Schools Soltak | Talk 21:41, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. nn school. Dottore So 23:27, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• It was just a stub. Now I've added the involvement of the school in the Pathlight project on Autism, one of only three schools planned to have colocation with Autistic facilities for the purposes of integration, the 2001 MOE Excel (innovation) awards held by the Singapore government at the school. Not to mention a government efficiency award received by a head of department at the school. This school clearly plays a notable part in the public life of the Republic of Singapore. Suggestions of non-notability are beginning to look as if maybe they're aimed from the wrong end of a telescope situated in America or Europe. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 23:58, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete primary schools are less interesting than secondaries. There is no notability conferred by a single Royal visit — the notability by proxy comment is a good one and applies to all the claims in the article. Thus this is a buiding with students in. So is my house. -Splash 23:59, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, as it seems to have attracted no small amount of attention. Article needs cleaning a little, though. -Splash 05:09, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
  • And now added to Townsville Primary School/Temp a speech made by Singapore's Deputy Prime Minister, and a widely referenced web page tutorial on simple machines produced by students at the school. Queens, senior government ministers, deputy prime ministers, major educational initiatives, national mainstream newspaper coverage, how much notice must be taken of a school before people saying it is not notable realise that, well, there are a lot of people out in the real world, some of them senior politicians, who happen to disagree? --Tony Sidaway^Talk 02:01, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Alright, I'm persuaded. Since I imagine this is still a touchy article, I'll not do this myself but: the stuff about which year they started teaching science in, and what the head of science gushed about it really needs excising! -Splash 05:09, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Take it out if you like, but I think it belongs because it's apparently a big deal in Singapore, and made The Straits Times, which has a circulation greater than most British broadsheet newspapers. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 15:27, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. - brenneman^(t)(c) 00:40, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep the version at Townsville_Primary_School/Temp. Excellent rewrite. —RaD Man (talk) 04:40, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - The new version, which is better than many high school articles. The school is bigger and more unique than many high schools. --rob 04:53, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Primary schools generally not notable, this one is no exception. Quale 05:53, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
• D, nn. Radiant_>|< 06:51, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep the rewrite. Seems to be notable enough to Singaporeans. I don't think EIIR has visited every primary school there (or in the UK, for that matter). Tupsharru 15:38, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
  • My school got Jimmy Savile to open the school fete one year, but he got lost and turned up late. Does it still count? :) --Tony Sidaway^Talk 17:08, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep the rewrite. The rewritten article demonstrates more than enough notability. (Unless every single delete voter can show that their primary school was opened by a cabinet level official, visited by a head of state, and covered by the major regional newspaper in their area.) Unfocused 17:00, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, even after the rewrite it just ain't encyclopedic, IMO. Nandesuka 00:36, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. I live in S'pore, and I can tell you that the school is not worth mentioned in Wiki due to its non-notability. Kontrovert 02:45, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. WP:N, WP:V, WP:RS.--encephalon | ^ζ  16:58:46, 2005-09-02 (UTC)
• keep, borderline notability. 24 at 19:00, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete definitely not notable. Dunc|☺ 00:05, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. CDThieme 00:33, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, article establishes even more notability than a typical primary school. Kappa 01:33, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. Gamaliel 10:21, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
• Enough of this pointless, time-wasting, impositional deletionist nonsense! Keep. --Gene_poole 13:29, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable primary school. Jonathunder 15:30, 2005 September 4 (UTC)
• Keep After Rewrite Guerberj 16:59, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. The article establishes notability, and it seems that there may be more to add. Cmadler 19:36, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. If the school was notable enough for Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom to pay this Singaporean school a visit, then surely it is notable enough to be kept on Wikipedia? Silensor 23:54, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep thanks that makes it pass my standard.  ALKIVAR™ 05:28, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Nah. User:Proto's usual "four walls and a ceiling are not notable" applies here. If George W. Bush visited my house, I don't think my house would be kept. Delete, primary schools are not notable (see also). --Idont Havaname 14:42, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

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