Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tiffany Williamson
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep. (aeropagitica) (talk) 17:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tiffany Williamson
Non Notable person Cardigan3000 02:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep qualified for the 2005 World Series of Poker (WSOP) in the Gutshot Card Club and went on to finish in 15th place, earning $400,000 and 16,200 ghits [Check Google hits]. (|-- UlTiMuS 03:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete that's nice and all, but do we need articles for 15th-place finishers in every category of every competition we have an article about? Opabinia regalis 04:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. Clearly notable by any measure, more successful than thousands in the same profession. Also, three word nominations are a rude waste of other people's time. 2005 04:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Keep per Ultimus and 2005. The subject of much poker discussion. Essexmutant 07:03, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Poker being a game with a strong element of luck , one reasonably strong performance, based almost entirely, it would appear on luck does not mean she is more succesful than thousands of players. Hers is as far as i know the only poker entrance in this encyclopedia based on only one performance that didnt involve victory. The precedent here is if she merits an inclusion then clearly every one from this and next years WSOP Main Event 1-15 should be included, which is farcical.Further, those who finished 4th ,6th 7th and 8th in the same competition don't have their own entry.Cardigan3000 07:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: Please note that skill is not a requirement for someone to have an article. Whether Williamson is a good player or a bad one should not affect the decision on whether the article exists or not. Furthermore, the TV highlights that showed her in a poor light only represent a fraction of the total hands played, and it would therefore be inaccurate to base her entire playing ability on that appearance, particularly as she has coped admirably in other TV events she has appeared in. Essexmutant 07:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Skill may or not be required by to confirm notability, however the only notable thing about her is her performance in a competitive pursuit. There are several sites that explain in detail her poor play, in fact several unfathomably bad plays which may have removed her from the tournament before her relatively unremarkable 15th place. The only other reference to her poker play is a 1st place in a 6 player table of speed poker (heat1, she finished last in the semi final) , which is about as low grade of a victory as you can have, her profit from the tournament was 500 pounds. So there are no TV events according to the Hendon Mob database apart from this. The only thing notable about her is her result in one competition, and that is a 15th place.Cardigan3000 09:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Let's be clear here: skill is not required to confirm notability. Essexmutant 09:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- See William Hung. She could be the worst player ever, and it wouldn't be relevant here. She did something that got here featured in major print and broadcast media all over the world for an extended period of time. 2005 20:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Skill may or not be required by to confirm notability, however the only notable thing about her is her performance in a competitive pursuit. There are several sites that explain in detail her poor play, in fact several unfathomably bad plays which may have removed her from the tournament before her relatively unremarkable 15th place. The only other reference to her poker play is a 1st place in a 6 player table of speed poker (heat1, she finished last in the semi final) , which is about as low grade of a victory as you can have, her profit from the tournament was 500 pounds. So there are no TV events according to the Hendon Mob database apart from this. The only thing notable about her is her result in one competition, and that is a 15th place.Cardigan3000 09:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: Please note that skill is not a requirement for someone to have an article. Whether Williamson is a good player or a bad one should not affect the decision on whether the article exists or not. Furthermore, the TV highlights that showed her in a poor light only represent a fraction of the total hands played, and it would therefore be inaccurate to base her entire playing ability on that appearance, particularly as she has coped admirably in other TV events she has appeared in. Essexmutant 07:17, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Weak keep Now, let's make this clear: I'm a huge poker fan. We're talking hardcore. We're talking playing in biweekly games and watching it on TV whenever possible. With that said, Williamson is- in my opinion- barely notable enough for WP. As stated above, she came in 15th (and was also the highest finishing woman), but that really doesn't confirm notability. Yes, the competition had 5,619 players, so coming in 15th is amazing, but it's not as if she was top three. So I was going to argue deletion until I thought of the criteria for sportspeople, one of which is playing at the highest professional level of one's sport. Even if it was only for a week, and Williamson never does anything spectacular in poker ever again (which, after watching the WSOP many times, wouldn't shock me), she still played at the absolute highest level of poker. As a result, I've decided that the article is worth keeping, but only by a hair. -- Kicking222 11:31, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
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