Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Thought Shop

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 05:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Thought Shop

If this group has indeed been around since the 1990s, then they should have done something notable by now. As it stands, this is just a vanity page. Delete. --Modemac 09:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom. If the diatribe below doesn't validate your accusation of it being a vanity page, then nothing will. ;-) Onebravemonkey 10:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Besides the circumstances, pleased to meet you, Modemac. I was actually somewhat surprised at the deletion nomination, as I've contributed other (I'd like to think) valuable content here before; as things stand, being a packrat and annotator of odd Net histories (I still recall the flamewars on Alt.hackers.malicious, among many other places, always careful to avoid involvement, but observing with genuine interest, before Usenet became a complete and total Cesspool, sadly enough...), I would think a Google search of the Thought Shop's hacktivism activities, pro-individual-privacy stance on things and the like (including 'ChristerThon '97, I think it was called - **Correction: it was "Christer Troll 97"**), and/or hitting the wayback machine should yield quite a number of results.

So why haven't *I* added all of those things in? Well, I'm one person, myself, my investement in logging stuff isn't *that* rabid (so if Wikipedia deletes it, no hard feelings, I assure you), and I have a finite amount of time per day, and have to head out for work at the present moment. Time permitting, I'll add more there, if that is worth doing; if not, then I won't bother.

However, as a logical aside, noting the links I cited there this one and this one, if signed laudatory letters from the Founder of the Church of the SubGenius singing their praises for incidents clearly dated by/before 1994 (as those letters are) is not at least some small measure of proof of having done something, then I suppose one could either A) contend they are forgeries/fraudulent -- something easily enough found out by email Reverend Ivan Stang with them -- or B) by the same logic, if commendations from such High Pranksters as the head of the Church of the Subgenius worthless, is the Subgenius page there not also, too, a vanity page? If so, is it a candidate for deletion? I cannot imagine so, unless the grounds are on religious ones.

Actually, something which has come to mind regarding what could be the actual cause for lobbying to delete the entry about the Thought Shop has come to mind: I believe we've met before, Modemac; you & Rev. Stang had a falling out, if memory serves...?

If I am misremembering, *please* correct me -- seriously. However, if I'm not mistaken, and if that *is* the case, then your request for Deletion of the entry more likely than not has a personal motive behind it, I suspect.

Regardless, I bear you no ill-will, and leave it to the judgement of Wikipedia as to whether or not to judge what is, in fact, verifiable historical data, as frivolous and worthy of deletion; sadly, I'm out of time, so can neither continue this commentary nor dig through search engines and the like to provide the information available to substantiate things, beyond what is already there.

Regards,

RTF

Let's see...you're saying I have some sort of grudge against you, and you're worthy of inclusion because Reverend Stang wrote you a letter twelve years ago. Actually, I'd never heard of you until this morning, and based on the article's lack of content it's likely to remain that way. --Modemac 12:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Precisely where above I stated that you "...have some sort of grudge against" me personally, I'm missing; I also don't see where I made the claim that Stang wrote *me* anything; I merely cited those as demonstrable proof that the group really had been around since the 1990's. If further content is needed, it won't be hard to provide. RTF 6:56am 14 September 2006 EST

"...your request for Deletion of the entry more likely than not has a personal motive behind it, I suspect." --Modemac 12:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Delete Nigel ^(Talk) 12:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom. PJM 12:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Notability and verifiability problems abound: per the article, they might have been formed anywhere from 1971 to 1997. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete This entry and anything concerning it should be deleted. If this isn't done ASAP, I'll remove it myself. jasonmberry.

Please don't wipe the article before it's time -- that's what the deletion process is for. --Modemac 09:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nominator. Yamaguchi先生 23:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.