Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Seven Great Demon Lords

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, leaning to merge. - Mailer Diablo 22:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Seven Great Demon Lords

Delete Non-notable group of Digimon. It might be something to do with the card game, but there's no references or much of anything. I suspect that most, if not all, of the article is original research. Fancruft, in any case. Ned Scott 04:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom unless it can be proven that they are an official group. For example, if can be shown that the group and their attributes are from the card game etc that would be helpful in dealing with an original research cliam. As it stand now however, the article needs work. --Edgelord 06:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Digimon? Maybe? Honestly, I have no idea about anything Digimon-related, but it makes sense that if someone thought it would be worth creating an article for it, it'd be worth including in the main article. fuzzy510 07:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, there's List of Digimon and the articles listed at WP:DIGI#Related content. A lot of this stuff is just taken from fansites, too. Not that I doubt the effort, just that it's a bit misplaced. -- Ned Scott 07:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- TheFarix (Talk) 10:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I'm not sure what to do with this. The digimon section contains individual articles for each of hundreds of digimon. Each of the 7 digimon discussed in this article have individual articles. It seems that it all needs some bigtime merging, but I have no idea where to begin. It may be better to merge the individual articles into this, instead of deleting this one and leaving the others. - Wickning1 14:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The only problem with that is the "group" isn't notable. It might be from the card game, but no one has been able to even confirm that. While I think the majority of Digimon articles don't meet the guidelines for WP:FICT and need to be removed/merged/transwikied/something, there are a few that are major characters from the anime (and the animes have no connection to this "group" at all). The best I can see is a merge to Digimon (card game), but only if it can be verified. -- Ned Scott 22:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

• Merge - with digimon dposse 17:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: This article should be helpful. fractyl

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• Merge into whatever works (probably not the main Digimon article, though - perhaps one of the series season/movie articles, as applicable). I wouldn't consider it notable on its own, and though I'm not an expert on digimon, there seems to be some useful content here. (|-- UlTiMuS ^{( U • T • C | M • E )} 08:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The only problem is there still isn't any verification. It's unknown how much of this information is actually true or just something a fan made up. -- Ned Scott 08:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• Well, I can confirm that this is an official group in the Japanese Digimon card game (nana dai ma ou in Japanese), so I'd say either keep or merge. —Nightstallion (?) 09:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

A merge would suggest keeping content form the article, not just saying the group existed. Can you confirm any of the content and/or provide sources? -- Ned Scott 10:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid I haven't been active in the Digimon fan community for quite some time, but I'm absolutely positive that newer cards of the stated Digimon do in fact contain the mentioned group name. I'm afraid I can't currently access the Digimon Card Album from work due to domain blockers, but the cards are up there, and if you can read Japanese, you can verify it. I'm sorry I can't give you much more than this currently. —Nightstallion (?) 10:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Keep: NS (Y HALO THAR, IT'S BEEN A WHILE) is absolutely right -- it is an official group, it's been mentioned in the cards and in the V-Jump publication, from whence the information about their relationship with the Seven Deadly Sins comes. Groups like this aren't common, and they're generally fairly notable, the Three Great Angels, the Four Holy Beasts, and the Royal Knights being some other fine examples. The information on the this page is pretty much all correct, although their collective goal, if one is extant, is unknown, not necessarily conquest and destruction, as its been edited to say (The Demon in the show seemed perfectly content to reside in the Dark World, and Lucemon's purpose was at least ostenibly to create a paradise). If this is going to be merged, then it should be merged onto a Digimon Groups page and listed with the Three Great Angels, Four Holy Beasts, Royal Knights, Four Great Dragons, etc, but it's been my observation that the Demon Lords are generally the subject of much interest and discussion in the Digimon fandom and thus notable at least in that context (and individuals from the group have been important characters in the show and manga), and thus, deserve their own article. At any rate, it most certainly not be merged with the Digimon article. Shining Celebi 17:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd be all for it if we had some sources.. -- Ned Scott 19:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you can't read Japanese, all I can really show you is the Mythos page and the Groups page in my encylopedia; of course, most other fansites have some mention too, like Digital Starlight, The Digi Port, and others. If you can read Japanese, then you can check out the cards of the members on the card album -- several show up in Booster 24. After multiple harddrive failures, I don't have the original V-Jump scan, but DVR has the information on its Research Page. On a side note, Bandai of America has referred to them on its website as the "Dark Lords," and some people have taken to calling them "Great Lords," so if one were looking for further mentions, it'd probably be a good idea to use those as search terms too. Shining Celebi 20:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It's a start, thanks! -- Ned Scott 06:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Still unverified, and seemingly no one cares to enough to verify. Googling Nanadaimaou gives WP's and mirrors and a smattering of discussion groups. ~ trialsanderrors 18:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you elaborate on what further verification you require? I wouldn't have expected Nanadaimaou to turn up much, since it's the transliterated Japanese name, as opposed to the translated name or the actual Japanese name. I've provided links from reputable fansites (err, one of which is my own), as well as to a page with card scans that mention them. Check out the WP hiragana page and use WWWJDIC to translate it yourself, if you don't believe anyone else. Josh Wasta, when he was a Bandai of American employee, referred to them as the Dark Lords on the official forums, but since they're not yet officially dubbed, all I can provide in the way of official pages is Japanese links, and you don't seem to think that's enough. Shining Celebi 21:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Per Shining Celebi. -- Toksyuryel ^{talk | contrib} 22:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.