Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Move: Sam Fife

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. — JIP | Talk 15:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Move: Sam Fife

Sam Fife takes a few google hits, the above title considerably less. NN religion thing. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 08:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

• There's a lot of people interested in making this a good wikipedia entry, so I would give it a couple days. Still working on finding reputable sources for this info. What does NN mean?Absofsteel 8 10:14, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • 'Not notable', generally shorthand for "An article of a subject that shows little or no evidence of being of encyclopedic quality or value." At least, that's my interpretation. Saberwyn - 10:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
• I would say that a religion which has existed for more than 40 years and has thousands of followers, a lot of who live together in communes, I'd call that notable (at least more so than the regular religious internet movement for which you just have to post to join). I would like to see some sources, before I vote to keep this, though. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep per references provided by, I think, Uncle G. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. This could be a decent article some day. It needs a lot of work, though. --jackohare 23:06, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
• I'd recommend to keep this page. The interest will grow rapidly from other Move related sites are compiling info to post here. - Dave Smith —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grfsmiths (talk • contribs) 2005-12-15 01:29:53 UTC.
• Definitely notable; a recent Yahoo Groups devoted to this started in November 2005 and has several hundred posts a week (all valid posts, not post spam). This article needs work though. -kevininspace —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kevininspace (talk • contribs) 2005-12-16 23:30:38 UTC.
• "Keep" -This group currently has thousands of members, with many more ex-members. ~mar —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 148.85.230.96 (talk • contribs) 2005-12-21 02:27:53 UTC.
• Delete. Not seeing notability - 247 google hits on "sam fife," some of which (two on the first page) are about an Australian athlete by that name. Couldn't find one news article on the preacher Fife. | Klaw ¡digame! 17:19, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Given that he died a decade an a half before the World Wide Web even existed, it will be unlikely that you will find an on-line news article about him. Uncle G 22:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
    • If the religion was in the news at all, its founder would likely be mentioned as well. | Klaw ¡digame! 14:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
• Relisting due to insufficient votes. - Mailer Diablo 13:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as lacking verification and reliable sources. howcheng {chat} 19:28, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep after sources provided by Uncle G. However, move to The Move (religious group) (or similar title). howcheng {chat} 22:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
• keep per mgm Jcuk 20:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
• There is a fair number of sources, independent of the subject itself, that deal with the subject. This religion appears to have been acknowledged by the world at large. Keep. Uncle G 22:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

• Rename and keep - religion is notable, but name of article should be changed as it implies that the article is primarily about its founder. Howcheng's suggestion of renaming it to The Move (religion) is most likely best, also to avoid an accidental reference to the legendary British rock group. Additional Wikification would not be a bad idea, either. B.Wind 05:41, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I chose The Move: Sam Fife because you get more google results for the religion with both "The Move" and "Sam Fife" in the search than with either alone. "The Move" is too common of a phrase. "Sam Fife" is too common of a name. Anyone who is looking for information about this group will likely type both into Google Search.

• That doesn't matter. Google indexes the entire page, not just the title. Entering both as search terms will still turn up this article even if the title were "Bernie Bott's Every Flavor Beans". howcheng {chat} 08:30, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.