Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Jewish Magazine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. No third-party sources were provided verifying notability or claims, and no other suggestions for fixing the article were offered. The article can be recreated if and only if those issues can be addressed and conflict of interest can be avoided. --Coredesat 04:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Jewish Magazine

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I declined a speedy deletion under G11 (advertising) for this article, and thought to bring it here for deletion discussion. This is a Canadian free magazine, formerly known as the Israeli Magazine, that has as it's key audience the Jewish community of Toronto. The article claims readership of 500,000 but I could not find sources. I abstain procedurally. Samir धर्म 04:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• Sources for that 500,000 readership is needed, and I believe it does not assert much notability. If sources are cited, then it will be a keep, if not during the discussion period, it will be a delete. --Terence Ong _{(T | C)} 05:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete The official site [1] estimates the readership at about a fifth of that, with only half of those actually physically reading the publication itself. Going on messages left on the talk page and a user's talk page this seems a likely case of WP:AUTO/WP:COI. Without any assertion of notability and verification this is a borderline speedy as advertising spam. -- IslaySolomon | talk 05:49, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Hi there, please feel free to delete the 500,000. That number reflects the readership worldwide. The Jewish mag site reflects canadian #'s only. Remove the readership number so it doesn't sound like a sales pitch...what is important is the fact that there is another jewish publication that is not being recognized. Thanks kindly! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.116.156.201 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 4 November 2006.Template:HH, 4 November 2006—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.116.156.201 (talk • contribs) 06:34, 4 November 2006.

• Comment The real issue here is notability. Does the subject of this article meet Wikipedia's notability criteria? So far, there is not evidence that it does. If you are involved in this magazine and are trying to get it recognition then you are in absolutely the wrong place. "What Wikipedia is not" and WP:AUTO are both worth a read. -- IslaySolomon | talk 06:36, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Okay, i'm new at this....you are obviously well versed in the wikipedia ways. I am an advid user of wikipedia and saw toronto life and numerous other publications on this site....help me understand the difference here....off to bed...i'll look for your response in the morning. Good night. HH —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Helen Hatzis (talk • contribs).

• Delete Dubious readership claims, notability not established. Vanispamicruftitisement I think I saw someone call this sort of thing once. --NMChico24 06:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, no sources and spammy appeal Sandstein 08:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• CommentMorning...has a final decision been made?'74.116.156.201 13:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• These things usually take five days for the full process. You can read up on it at WP:AFD --Wafulz 19:22, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - non-notable. Moreschi 14:00, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as nn. --MaNeMeBasat 14:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

• Commentcan we agree to leave this article up deleting the readership numbers...i thought it would be useful to add under the Canada Jews section as a link to other Jewish publications. That's it, that's all....no alterior motive. The bottom line is that it is a successful cool ethnic magazine in the Jewish community...there is no advertising motive...it's a free magazine. I made haste when adding it to wikipedia as an article. I use wikipedia as a resource often...I was not aware that regular folks like us could add info to the site, so I took the opportunity. Next time, I'll be sure to read through the instructions properly. Have a great day.--[[User:HH]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions. -- Shuki 22:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unless notability can be demonstrated. Highly likely NN. - crz crztalk 22:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
• Abandon AfD The writer has used those magics words "I don't understand" - it simply isn't possible to judge the article until they have had time to work out what is needed in the article, by which time the AfD will be closed - this AfD is a waste of time. He has asked for help, yet I see no offers. As a relatively new user myself I'm not in a position to help but until someone has actually worked with the user to bring out the full potential there is no information on which to base a delete - this appears to me as yet another instance of Wikipedia failing treat new users appropriately and is a serious failing in the AfD procedure --Mike 18:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • AfD has nothing to do with the user who made the article, and editors should not feel bad if articles they wrote are brought to AfD. This AfD is about to the notability of the subject of this article, as found in the article, and in sources discovered during the AfD process. -- Samir धर्म 01:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
• Commenthi there...I have located the magazine contact info from their website, please feel free to obtain all the pertinent info needed 416.987.3210 thank you. User:HH

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.