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Insufficient notability. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 08:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I am also nominating the following related articles for deletion:
  • Keep (The House Jacks only) There's certainly no shortage of independent hits for these people on Google. I think they may pass notability. Akihabara 13:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete All - I didn't find much on google. I contest notability. *Also, unreferenced. /Blaxthos 17:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep KB is constantly getting more and more exposure, especially in the past year. --Brand Eks 08:29, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep I have collected a number of newspaper articles on The House Jacks, Deke Sharon, and Wes Carroll over the past several years. They all therefore seem to meet the notability criterion. Pointers to where to post references to said articles would be appreciated. 68.123.46.190 00:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Deke Sharon is widely regarded as the most important and respected arranger in contemporary a capella, and that's just the beginning of his contributions to this musical genre. This clueless attempt to delete him and the Jacks is flat-out vandalism. CASA, Kid Beyond and Wes Carroll are also worthy of inclusion, IMHO, but omitting Deke and the Jacks would make Wikipedia's coverage of contemporary a capella woefully incomplete. Those pages need more info, but should not be deleted. Anyone who can't find hundreds of significant articles about these two subjects has no idea how to use Google.
  • Keep Deke Sharon is to a cappella what Vince McMahon is to wrestling. He didn't necessarily start it, but he brought it up to speed and made it contemporary. The Godfather of a cappella, if you will. Removing any of these subject, frankly, would be a glaring absence in the Wikipedia. As a cappella continues to move mainstream, references and information such as these are increasingly important.
  • Keep To a certain community (those people who make and enjoy listening to a cappella music), these people are all giants. Hell, Kid Beyond's on tour with Imogen Heap right now. CASA and the ICCAs, respectively are the most established organization for contemporary a cappella and the most established competition for collegiate a cappella.
  • Keep The issue is whether they've been "the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the subject itself." I offer some concrete evidence. The Recorded A Cappella Review Board publishes album reviews independently of all the nominees. RARB has published extensive reviews of two House Jacks albums, three BOCA albums (1,2,3), and two compilation albums published by CASA (1,2). Additionally, due to their prominence, all of the nominees are talked about in reviews of other albums. Here are how many album reviews each nominee is referenced in:
    • CASA 113
    • BOCA 105
    • House Jacks 34
    • ICCA 31
    • Deke Sharon 27
    • Wes Carroll 17
    • Kid Beyond (Andrew Chaikin) 8

--Infotrope 02:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

    • But is the RARB itself "non-trivial"? According to its own Web page, it has published 664 reviews since 1994. That's 55 per year, and hardly sounds like a sufficient quantum. --Nlu (talk) 14:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Publication frequency is achieved by having a team of writers. Each person spends two weeks on each album. At least three writers contribute to each review (each having spent two weeks). Every review has at least two more people edit it, and they end up around 1500 words on average. It's not somebody's blog about their cat. --Infotrope 18:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep All The vast contributions Mr. Sharon and the House Jacks have made to the contemporary a cappella genre mustn't be undervalued. However esoteric a cappella music may seem to the unfamiliar, the House Jacks are giants in their field. Wikipedia should recognize their importance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Buflaro (talk • contribs) 06:49, 13 December 2006 (UTC).
  • Keep the groups and organizations (CASA, BOCA), delete the individuals (Deke, Wes, Kid). Snackwell 15:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC) Edit: According to the official site, the correct name is International Championship of Collegiate A Cappella, not "College", so we should delete the version with the incorrect name.
  • Keep Kid Beyond (and I may be adding proof to keep the others as well later). Based on the policies in Wikipedia:Notability_(music), Kid Beyond falls under the following: 4. Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country, reported in reliable sources. Imogen Heap's tour web page, SF Chronicle online listing his SF show with Imogen Heap, A crapload of news articles listed on Google News from multiple newspapers of concert reviews from the tour. I believe opening for a Grammy nominated artist such as Imogen Heap counts as notable, and I believe the United States counts as a medium to large sized country. For anyone else trying to defend the other 5, look for newspaper articles online that fall under the Wikipedia:Notability_(music). I am very sure ICCA, CASA, BOCA, and Wes have articles like this, but I do not have the time to research it. (Deke may have such articles too.) I'm also fairly sure Wes and Deke fall under #7 (Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style.) 70.143.78.233 17:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep House Jacks Relevant articles:
  • Keep Austin Willacy Relevant articles:
  • Keep and Merge - Keep only Deke Sharon, Contemporary A Cappella Society, and The House Jacks and merge the rest. The problem with contemporary a cappella in general is that it's a niche topic. Should these articles survive this nomination, they should go under lots of improve with lots and lots of citations from third-parties, preferably those not directly related to a cappella.--Htmlism 17:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep All ICCA is now updated with relevancy (Today Show and New York Times coverage). Deke Sharon... he's the single most notable guy in contemporary a cappella (cf the A-Cappella.com catalog, "In a cappella, there's only one Deke"), so unless this is vandalism by somebody who doesn't like a cappella he's gotta stay. BOCA has been updated to show more notability, i.e., as a compilation series that tracks the evolution of a musical niche, collegiate a cappella. The House Jacks are the first true modern vocal band (cf. history of a cappella at A-Cappella.com. Kid Beyond was the first vocal percussionist with The House Jacks, and as such was the leader in bringing vocal percussion to a cappella. Wes Carroll produced two instructional DVDs that have been the most widely used method for teaching vocal percussionists. As of today, A-Cappella.com has sold cumulatively 2,945 videos and DVDs from Wes Carroll, just one measure of both Wes' notability and the spread of vocal percussion.

Acafella58 17:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)acafella58

  • Keep All There are many articles out there to be added. One just posted today: [1] ----Totalvocal
  • Keep all and start over. Many of these articles appear to show sufficient notability, so I would suggest closing this moribund debate and renominating the articles on an individual basis. Yamaguchi先生 02:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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