Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Bear Necessities of Brown University

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The result was delete. - Bobet 11:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Bear Necessities of Brown University

Delete as not notable and not verifiable. Their own website is the only source the article links to, and even that doesn't confirm most of the article. Using Google, Lexis-Nexis, and Newsbank I can find no non-trivial, non-local, reliable sources featuring them. I don't think there's even a claim of notability in the article, including the assertion that Recorded A Cappella Review Board (RARB) "hailed" them, because, while evidently true, there's no indication that rarb.org is a respected reviewing agency. {{Primarysources}} and {{notability}} tags have not been addressed in the 3 days since my speedy tag was removed with the message "seems comparable to The Whiffenpoofs, take to AFD if you disagree." I disagree per the above. Pan Dan 19:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete -- this looks more like the group's website than like a Wikipedia article. Dylan 20:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete NN. 20 hits on Yahoo, 16 on Google.--Húsönd 21:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - fails WP:MUSIC. Trebor 23:30, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I want to argue that using your guideline for music, that one of the members has since become a member of the National tour of RENT - Jed Resnick -- which you can check at http://www.broadwayworld.com/showinfo.cfm?showid=932 and another member has a role on the ABC show HEROES -- which you can check at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiro_Nakamura. Althogh Hiro is not a part of a musical band he still is part of a well-known show. Also this website is along the same lines as The Whiffenpoofs so what makes this article less reputable than that one? Do you need for the article to be formatted so that there are more links with our information or what exactly? Your attention to this would be greatly appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.16.22.179 (talk • contribs).

For me, what makes this article unsalvageable is not its content, but its subject. You have to show that The BN's are notable, and to show that they're notable, you have to show that they've been the primary subject of multiple reliable sources. The article on The Whiffenpoofs needs references, but I looked, and refs are at least out there, so that article is salvageable. I looked for good refs on The BN's, and found none.

As for WP:MUSIC: (1) It's a guideline, not a policy. (2) The criterion you refer to was conceived thinking of a band with a (more or less) fixed number of members, not a college group with rotating membership that compiles dozens or hundreds of ex-members. (3) The sentence in WP:MUSIC you are referring to concludes as follows: "note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such." In this case, a mention of Masi Oka's involvement with The BN's, in his article, may be appropriate (if such involvement has been noted in a third-party publication). (As for Jed Resnick, I see he doesn't have his own article, and does not appear notable enough to get one.)

Having visited your website (I assume you're a member, anon) and been involuntarily graced with your singing, I have no doubt that every one of you is destined for great things--even without your group having a Wikipedia article, believe me. Pan Dan 18:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

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