Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Awakening of the Dreamer

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 06:57, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Awakening of the Dreamer

Book published by AuthorHouse, a vanity press. Article gives no indication of notability. Only 10 hits (9 unique) on Google searching for "The Awakening of the Dreamer" "Derrick J. Johnson" OR "derrick johnson". -Elmer Clark 06:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Amazon.com Sales Rank: #4,311,530. --Brianyoumans 06:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep, books have difference criteria for AfD then people and other things. This book should not be considered for deletion because it does not fall into the establish criteria.

"Usually, books with an ISBN-number and/or availability in a couple dozen of libraries and/or a Project Gutenberg type website, and with a notability above that of an average cookbook or programmers manual would qualify [as notable]." Valoem ^talk 14:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom -- Whpq 20:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete — Per nom Martinp23 20:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - Valoem: I don't see anything saying that this bookis found in even one library, and the fact that it is published by a vanity press pushes this further into doubt. Martinp23 20:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete vanity press Dlyons493 Talk 21:22, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Martinp23: this book has an ISBN: 0759627738 [1] therefore it is a keep. EDIT: Also the precedence has been set mayn times before, breaking precedence is very harmful to Wikipedia in the long run. If you look my quotation you can read that basically any book that can be found in a library AND/OR has an ISBN-number is notable. I did not make this rule up you can find it on Wikipedia:Notability-books.Valoem ^talk 22:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Have to disagree here. Anyone can get an ISBN number - what the guideline is saying is that a book must also have a presence in libraries. Dlyons493 Talk 00:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• • Comment Actually it CLEARLY says AND/OR. The slash "/" means can have both OR have one. Here I will show you the quote. "Usually, books with an ISBN-number and/or availability in a couple dozen of libraries and/or a Project Gutenberg type website".[2] This quote is clearly not left for interpretation. I did not make these rules I am just trying to shows you that precedence are what keeps wikipedia together and this precedence has clearly been set. Valoem ^talk 00:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Delete Going by the placement of the comma in the full quote (and misplaced commas can be quite important http://legalblogwatch.typepad.com/legal_blog_watch/2006/08/the_tragedy_of_.html) it appears that it needs one of the three things you listed *and* "with a notability above that of an average cookbook or programmers manual." Which, being a vanity publication, it doesn't have. --Jamoche 02:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletions. -- the wub "?!" 09:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, since it appears to be a vanity publication, no citable published reviews or significant library presence (I couldn't even find a copy in the LOC). The "usually" in the cited sentence makes it a conditional statement, and this kind of book is the exception that was intended when the sentence was written. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 15:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, AuthorHouse is indeed a vanity press which will publish anything for a fee, and not a very high fee. One AuthorHouse title which I personally know to have sold less than fifty copies has an Amazon sales rank of 1,417,018, so this book has probably sold far fewer. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC) P. S. Having an ISBN number is scarcely an indication of importance. You can buy them directly from Bowker; they cost $250 for a block of ten. An ISBN number is part of the service from self-publishing outfits; I think Lulu will sell them to you one at a time. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.