Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Swansea University Computer Society1

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep, even after discounting the new editors. Please note that this is a discussion, not a vote. You don't get an automatic vote just for showing up. Deathphoenix 05:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Swansea University Computer Society

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only have 180 members, making it non-notable. Plus, its in Swansea, which is never a good place to be! Dangherous 20:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd suggest that membership size of a society is spurious for consideration large or small. There are small notably societies and large irrelevant ones AlanCox

Please can I remind everyone that this is a discussion, not a vote - make clear arguments, just saying "as per others" is stupid. FireFury 11:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: No it is not. If what you've to say has already been said by someone else, you're entitled to make that point. It's useful to determine consensus. Stifle 13:04, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. I believe SUCS is well worth a footnote in history due to their involvement in the development of Linux, a fact that Eric S. Raymond acknowledges. Talyn256 19:08, 22 February 2006 (UTC) (user's first edit --Telsa (talk) 15:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC))

I cannot find any mention of ESR referring to SUCS at all. Can you provide a source for this, please? --Telsa (talk) 15:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep The society can be considered to be one of particular importance as it has close tyings in with some of the notable names of Linux and is a close knit and friendly one. The individual who started this AFD request does not provide a valid excuse as such, the age old Cardiff Vs Swansea debate should not be brought into context for this page. Seymansey 13:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC) User's first edit --Telsa (talk) 16:00, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. 180 members is pretty big for a student society -- I would guess it is one of the biggest student compsocs in the country. How big does it have to be to be notable? Nom appears to be from Cardiff Uni making them somewhat biased :) (On which note it might be worth pointing out that I'm a life member of this society.) Hairy Dude 20:49, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, that's two biases cancelled each other out then. May the discussion commence. --Dangherous 20:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Deleting an article because you don't like the location is not reasonable. It'd also argue that the society is notable because it has long been linked with Linux (SUCS was name-checked up until the 2.4.19 kernel for the work Alan Cox did on the network drivers while he was at the university). I also note that the nominator's discussion page has a number of complaints from people about his other edits. FireFury User has 26 edits, mostly to the article in question. --Calton | Talk 00:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. One of the longest running socs (without break) in Swansea Uni and I like it (but I'm biased because I'm a life member too! :) 82.21.163.125 21:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I don't think anyone who uses "I don't like the place" as an argument can be taken seriously. --Akyan 21:19, 21 February 2006 (UTC)User's first edit --Calton | Talk 00:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. If this was a serious AFD, the nominator would have gone through all of the similar articles in the same categories as the SUCS one, found out how many members each society had and then given them the same treatment, depending upon whether he found their physical locations to his taste, of course. As it is, the nominator did not take this action. The location of the society is no justification for the deletion of the article. As FireFury mentioned, the society plays a part in the history of the Linux operating system and for this reason it is just as, if not more, noteable than other university society articles on wikipedia. welshbyte 21:20, 21 February 2006 (UTC)User has 24 edits, mostly to the article in question.　--Calton | Talk 00:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. It's not a question of how many members the society currently has - it's its historical significance that makes it notable and worthy of a Wikipedia article. Deniswalker 21:26, 21 February 2006 (UTC)User's first edit --Calton | Talk 00:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The society warrants an entry for its size and its role in the history of the Linux operating system. PKLong 21:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)User's second edit --Calton | Talk 00:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per others. —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:26, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Student-society-cruft. A whole lot of essentially worthless information on a non-notable group. --Calton | Talk 00:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as being nowhere near as notable as the other entries in Category:Computer Clubs. Turnstep 04:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per others. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 10:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or merge into main Swansea University article. If kept it could do with a comprehensive prune as much of the information in it is not encyclopedia relevant and is linked to on the society page anyway. It's still far more relevant than half of wikipedia. Also I'd note that the proposers comments about Swansea are inappropriate (even if meant to just be funny) and we don't need a Swansea v Cardiff minor article deletion war. AlanCox 11:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Suspicious timing considering "Varsity", a large amount of sporting events between Swansea and Cardiff Universities, is imminent. [Elsmorian - SUCS member] 15:11, 22 Febuary 2006
• Keep. Notability is firmly established through its association with the early Linux work, and the resultant namecheck. Its also oen of the most prominent (if not the most prominent) society at Swansea uni, providing webspace, email and mailing lists for other societies for example. Full disclosure: Like at least half the others voting here I am a member. Thryduulf 15:15, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Due to their contribution to Linux. RicDod 21:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn club. If we keep this then everyone who has written something whether it be a fanzine, the student newspaper, or some computer code is then notable. Ugh! If as Talyn256 suggests it deserves a footnote in history, a footnote should be dropped in either the Linux article or the Swansea University one, not every noun deserves a link and article. Carlossuarez46 00:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC) I note that the Linux article makes no mention of the supposed contributions of the society and the Swansea University article has an "external link" to the society's web page but I could not find any text why such a link would be relevant or notable. Carlossuarez46 00:48, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• The Linux article makes no mention of many other contributions too. I don't believe the article should (or indeed could) mention or link to all people and organisations that have made significant contributions - that would make it a very long article. In any case - the contributions are not "supposed" - they are well documented elsewhere, including in the kernels themselves (yes, the article needs some more references - this is something that's being worked on). FireFury 10:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Calton. Massive flood of meat/sockpuppet votes. Stifle 13:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
  • As a member of SUCS I recognise a high proportion of the names here. If there is any puppetry going on then it is not sockpuppetry. Thryduulf 13:31, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I would also like to note that SUCS members have been adding their views to this page out of choice and not because we (the main contributors to the article) have been telling/asking them to or broadcasting to them about it. The grapevine just happens to work like that. --welshbyte 16:21, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep sockpuppets or not, SUCS is one of the UKs most important computer societies. What harm can there be it having a page on Wikipedia? user:evonews

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