Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slaves freed by Abu Bakr

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was redirect - but I have deleted it then redirect it so that nobody restores the deleted material. Kilo-Lima|^(talk) 18:01, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Slaves freed by Abu Bakr

• Delete any information here can easily be put into the Abu Bakr article. No need for the page to exist. Jersey Devil 04:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Abu Bakr, as the page provides little other than a list of names.  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  06:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 08:37, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Nominated to prove a point on Jersey devils long-running crusade against striver. --Irishpunktom\^talk 10:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Abu Bakr article as per JD, Aero and Savidan. --Xorox 12:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and merge per nom as paragraph rather than as list. Шизомби 16:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, merge optional. Do we really need a list of 8 slaves without individual notability? Imagine, if you will, the article Slaves freed by Abraham Lincoln. BTW, yeah, so JD is on a long-running crusade. Some of that crusade is bogus, but some, like this, is pretty darn valid. -- GRuban 16:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge as per above. SorryGuy 18:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per aeropagitica. Fishhead64 21:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Irishpunktom. Lambiam^Talk 00:51, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This was in the Abu Bakr article, but was deleted since it ruined prose, it was unbalancing the article, so a spin out was created to handle something that was to small to fitt in the main article. Topic is valid and notable. --Striver 00:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I thought we didn't create new articles for things too small to fit in the main article, but for things too large to fit there. -- GRuban 12:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, you are right, i meant it was to much text for a event in his life. --Striver 16:40, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

The article is only 6 sentences long, most of which is already in Abu Bakr. I suggest adding something like the following to Abu Bakr#During the lifetime of Muhammad:

Before the Hijra, Abu Bakr purchased the freedom of several Muslims who were slaves and suffered torture at the hand of their owners. These slaves were: Bilal, Abu Fakih, Ammar, Abu Fuhayra, Lubaynah, Al-Nahdiah, Umm Ubays, and Zinnira. Many of them also became companions of Muhammad.

Surely there is room for that in the Abu Bakr article. -- GRuban 17:03, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Try and merge it, im all for it. Just as long as the information is available here or there, im happy. I had what you sugested, but it got deleted implying it unbalanced the text. --Striver 19:20, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Trying.... GRuban 20:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Looks like it worked. User:Zoe has reworked the paragraph a bit, but that'a an editing matter, I'm sure you and she can work it out between you, I'm bowing out as I'm sure you each know more about the subject than I. Striver, if this merge satisfies you, you can change your vote to Merge, and since you're the creator that will make this discussion able to be Speedy closed. Or, heck, you can just be bold and change the article to a redirect to the appropriate section of Abu Bakr yourself, I'm sure no one will object. -- GRuban 20:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. But i will recreat the article if the information is yet again edited out of the Abu Bakr article. --Striver 23:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, could be merged back into Abu Bakr, but I don't see why. Wstaffor 22:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and put back into Abu Bakr. It is a POV title - should we also have titles Iraqis freed by George W. Bush or Jobs created by George W. Bush?ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! 07:32, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • What kind of argument is that? What would be wrong with a title like Buildings designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, for example? I wouldn't want to see a page List of gourmet dishes invented by Colonel Sanders either. Does that mean then we cannot keep List of English words invented by Shakespeare? Lambiam^Talk 09:44, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
    • The title inherently selects only positive actions taken by the subject, and thus constitutes a tribute page, same as my hypotheticals, whereas the List of English words invented by Shakespeare does not.ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! 00:23, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

• Look people, we can stop debating; the article is no more. It's now a redirect page. Lambiam^Talk 09:44, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
• Comment, ok but delete the redirect, who is going to search for "Slaves freed by Abu Bakr"?--Jersey Devil 00:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

  Redirects are cheap. Even if it does no good being there, it certainly does no harm. There is a chance, however small, that someone may one day search for that term. --Hyperbole 16:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I oppose a delete. --Striver 19:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.