Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shogo Kawada

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Obviously this AfD does not preclude a future merge by anyone inclined. Also, please forgive me for using rollback to remove the AfD tags but I had to speed this up somehow. Chick Bowen 23:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shogo Kawada

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I propose this article, and all of the other articles tagged along with it, be deleted. Each article is a biography of a fictional character in three separate continuities. However, most of these characters are minor in all of the continuities. All of the characters have appropriate descriptions each of the separate continuities here, here, and here. All of the articles in question have cluttering problems, resorting to "In the film, the character does this. In the book, the character does this. In the manga, the character does this..." With suitable alternatives provided, I believe the following pages should be deleted.

• Mayumi Tendo
• Haruka Tanizawa
• Noriko Nakagawa
• Mitsuko Souma
• Shogo Kawada
• Yoshio Akamatsu
• Shuya Nanahara
• Kitano (Battle Royale)
• Kazuo Kiriyama
• Keita Iijima
• Tatsumichi Oki
• Toshinori Oda
• Yoshitoki Kuninobu
• Yoji Kuramoto
• Hiroshi Kuronaga
• Ryuhei Sasagawa
• Hiroki Sugimura
• Yutaka Seto
• Yuichiro Takiguchi
• Sho Tsukioka
• Kazushi Niida
• Tadakatsu Hatagami
• Mitsuru Numai
• Shinji Mimura
• Kyoichi Motobuchi
• Kazuhiko Yamamoto
• Mizuho Inada
• Yukie Utsumi
• Megumi Eto
• Sakura Ogawa
• Izumi Kanai
• Yukiko Kitano
• Yumiko Kusaka
• Kayoko Kotohiki
• Yuko Sakaki
• Hirono Shimizu
• Takako Chigusa
• Yuka Nakagawa
• Satomi Noda
• Fumiyo Fujiyoshi
• Chisato Matsui
• Kaori Minami
• Yoshimi Yahagi
• Kinpatsu Sakamochi
• Yonemi Kamon

Three pages is definitely preferable to forty-three small, cluttered pages.

• Strong Keep - You should instead ask for a merge, NOT a delete. I'm okay with merging, but not with deleting. WhisperToMe 18:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Why do you feel this way? Just curious. Monsieurxander 19:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, in all honesty, I don't know how one would go about merging an article into three different articles.Monsieurxander 19:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

At the top of the character pages you can add a {{mergeto|articlehere}}. If you want a specific section merged, you can add the same template to the section. Normally you would add a mergefrom to the anime, manga, and film pages, but since there are so many a mergeto on the character pages would be more appropriate. Voretus^talk 21:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - these should be merged, as WhisperToMe said, not deleted. Voretus^talk 21:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - I also opose this. The individual articles went into a lot more detail. The new character pages are way too big and don't look very appealing. They're more cluttered than the individual articles, in my opinion. (Bishusui 04:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC))

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 15:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep All Firstly, I'm not at all convinced these are non-notable. The Battle Royale movie, while probably not familiar to most US audiences, was an enormous hit in Japan and is amonth the top 10 highest-grossing Japanese films of all time. Secondly, any AfD in which a huge number of articles are suggested for deletion is pretty much doomed to fail and also be a complete and total mess. Simply put, AfD is supposed to be a discussion, and it's unreasonable to expect participants to read 43 different articles and vote on all of them at once. Try listing one first to get a sense of whether deletion of the rest is possible, or try to get consensus on the talk page to merge them or something, but a meaninful discussion for more than 40 articles all at once just isn't going to work. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 16:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep all, Andrew Lenahan said it all. hateless 18:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge To a single list of characters, and delete the plot summaries and pictures. For each character to have an article, I would expect to see multiple independent mainstream coverage of each one cited in the article for that character. Much of the material in each article is duplicated. The individual ized content is just plot summary, and I see no point in taking every notable work of fiction or movie and having an article with pictures and a plot summary. Edison 19:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep per Andrew Lenahan. Not only are most of these characters notable enough for their own article, but more importantly blanket nominations like these are really bad AfD form and generally result in boatloads of articles being deleted without being looked at, as in the Esoteric Programming Languages fiasco. — Dark Shikari ^talk/_contribs 19:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep but I'm not opposed to some kind of Merge for convenience sake. However, I concur with everybody else who has said that this kind of mass nomination is a bad idea. At the least, seeking input on a few characters to start off would be much preferred. Mister.Manticore 20:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all. WP:NOT a plot summary. Interrobamf 20:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge There is no reason for every character to have their own article, no matter how popular it was in Japan. TJ Spyke 21:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Merge the lesser characters. Delete excessive plot summaries and pictures. Bwithh 23:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletions. -- RoninBK_ETC 10:05, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep all, with editorial merging suggested for some of them. --tjstrf talk 10:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
• These are all major or minor characters in a major Japanese novel, a movie (technically two, but most understandably don't make the sequel) and a manga series. Shuya Nanahara, Shogo Kawada, Noriko Nakagawa, Mitsuko Souma, and Kazuo Kiriyama are major characters in all three storylines and should be outright kept. The other articles should either be kept or split and merged into the three lists indicated by the nominator. The articles are a bit of a mess, but that is a problem when dealing with multiple, slightly varying continuities, but while the easy thing to do is delete, I think the right thing to do is clean them up. -- saberwyn 11:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep all as above. MightyAtom 12:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep all There is no reason to delete them. All the characters have had articles for a long time and have all been this way for a long time. Why should it suddenly be a problem now? There is no need to delete the articles. Although a clean up and maybe merging some of the articles would not be a bad idea. But to just delete them would mean lots of peoples good work would go to waste, plus don't forget the articles would not have been left up in first place if they had not been relevant. Urrgh5591 22:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Comment It looks like the articles will be kept for now, but only if some cleanup is involved. If we keep these articles and no improvement is made, then they'll only become a stronger target for another AfD. Personally, I think some should be deleted, some should be merged, and most if not all need cruft-cutting and out-of-universe perspectives. The articles, as they are now, are not what we should strive for. Change will be needed. -- Ned Scott 20:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

• • There's no way the articles will be deleted. Why delete an article of a proven fictional character when you can redirect to the character's information? Again, I am okay with merging the less notable characters. I wasn't aware of any of the articles that had in-universe perspectives. WhisperToMe 08:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep some Only the relevant ones, like Nanahara, Nakagawa, Kawada, Kiriyama, Souma, Mimura... - Access Timeco 01:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, Timeco, just about all of them are relevant. Battle Royale focuses a bit on each of the 42 "contestants" as a way to prove how people react differently in the scenario. WhisperToMe 16:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
    • • How are they relevant? Why shouldn't they be merged? ---Kunzite 22:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• • • Keep some True, but I think the "not so important" characters could be merged into one big article and the bigger ones keep their own articles. But do not delete any of them. Ap2000 17:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep all — Most are notable in their own right, hence an AfD that bundles everything simply doesn't work.--Endroit 17:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Exactly how are these characters notable "in thier own right"? Do you have citations? --Kunzite 22:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

• Close AFD and let me merge 'em The articles need to me merged into relevant sections and these should be redirected. Someone must have done some massive clean-up on this series--there were seperate articles for every single minor character in the entire series. Fiction guidelines suggest that they all be merged into one page. Writing about fiction guidelines suggest that they need futher clean-up to remove the in-universe perspective. --Kunzite 22:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.