Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shi`ite Theocracies

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. - Mailer Diablo 12:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shi`ite Theocracies

Original research, unverified, and not of a neutral POV. Trifecta of what not to do. If deleted, the original version of the article Shite Theocracies, which I changed to a redirect with the correct spelling, should be deleted as well. Agent 86 16:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep a good article on this subject could be written. A theocracy is a form of government. Whether one approves or not is the POV. That said, while what appears thus far is not verified and NPOV, that's not a reason to delete it; it can be improved with sourcing. Carlossuarez46 18:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm all for article improvement resulting from the AfD process (a positive side-effect of the process, but I do not mean to imply or advocate that the AfD process is means by which one should instigate article improvement). As it appears from the edit history of the article that you're in the process of improving it, I'll keep an eye on it. For now, I still have the same concerns about the article. First of all, if the article is kept, it will have to define or provide a set of criteria for what is a "Shi`ite Theocracy". Right now, it's just an example (almost like the old cliche, I don't know what it is, but I know it when I see it) of a Shi`ite theocracy. Also, the POV needs to be worked on, particularly the last paragraph (critics? which critics? what did they say? when/where/how did they say it)? Finally, while POV can be improved, unless and until the facts of the article are verified, that is a reason to delete it. Good luck with the revisions. I am always of an open mind and am willing to reconsider an AfD nomination if changes warrant it. Agent 86 18:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, after merging the info into the article on Iran. There's just nothing really in this piece that justifies it standing alone. If you want an article on Shi'ite Theocracies, discuss what makes a Shi'ite Theocracy different from other Theocracies in the past, etc. Akradecki 21:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
  • On second thought, this looks like it would be an ideal chunck of material to use to improve the Iran section of the Theocracy article. We would thus be serving our readers better by having all the info in once concise location. Akradecki 22:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Theocracy. However, I would question whether Iran (or any other country is ruled by God. The norm seems to be rule by clerics. Peterkingiron 23:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 19:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

• Merge per Peterkingiron. As for rule by God Theocracy means (in English language useage, not the Greek) rule by clerics Lurker ^talk 11:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - the term is used widely in US news media both to describe the government structures in Iran, and in a speculative sense applying to Iraq (and more recently Lebanon). Needs work, but a useful and well-written version of the article would be useful to readers. --SB_Johnny | ^talk 12:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.