Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Septim's Pride

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Bobet 09:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Septim's Pride

Article for web comic that makes no assertions of notability, and fails WP:WEB. Seems to be self-promotional spam to build audience of web comic started 2 weeks ago. Leuko 13:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

• I am the creator of the comic. The users on my forum decided to follow suit of another popular webcomic Concerned and make a wiki for it. In no way is this advertising or anything of that nature. The only reason I even signed up here was to correct a minor detail one of the users had put in the wiki article. The article in of itself is a work-in-progress I'm told and will be continued to be

filled with more content as they work on it. In no way is this 'self-promotional spam'. bchick222 12:46, 24 September 2006

• Comment: However, Concerned has been written about in various magazines, which would qualify it for a WP article, whereas your webcomic has received no independent press, making it ineligible for a WP article. Leuko 17:54, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: Does an internet gaming site, such as the Planet sites, count as independent press? There are many mods for Half-Life 2 that have wiki articles here that have not been written about in magazines. So what constitutes independent press? I could make my own Elder Scrolls site and make a news item and review of the comic. Would that be independent press? Even though I have not had any 'press' talk about it, I have tons of support on the multiple forums I frequent. Where do you draw the line? If you are that concerned about it, I will submit the site to PlanetElderScrolls and pray they make a news item of it. Seriously though, it has been out for 2 weeks. Of COURSE it won't have independent press. I say just give it time, my friend. bchick222 13:14, 24 September 2006

• Comment: The WP:WEB guidelines require 1) multiple and 2) non-trivial independent coverage of a website to be deemed notable enough for a WP article. Reviews from other websites are only non-trivial if they themselves are notable and pass WP:RS. Self-reviews, reviews from obscure websites, or forum postings really don't meet that mark. Once the site reaches the criteria, I will gladly support its inclusion. However, until that time, I am not convinced that the article is anything more than WP:VSCA. Leuko 18:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - Seriously, this Wiki just gives useful information to those that would like to know more about the comic. Deepfatfryed 18:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and it is not an indescriminate collection of information or a directory of webcomics. Leuko 18:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I'll agree that it hasn't recieved any news attention in any sort of form besides people recommending people to the comic. If that meets your view of an unnecessary article for wikipedia then by all means let's delete it. However, do NOT call it 'self-promotional spam' as it is NOT that. I even looked under the wiki pages about what constitutes spam and this is NOT it. You drew the wrong conclusion on that one. Like I said before, my forum members and readers wanted to make this wiki so that info about the comic, the protagonist, and the story in general could be laid out for others. That said, I agree that the comic hasn't had any media recognition and I would not oppose a removal if that small detail breaks some sort of rules here. I truly think you are over-reacting though. bchick222 21:14, 24 September 2006

• Delete, article does not meet our oficial content policies as it is unverifiable through third-party reliable sources with reputations for fact-checking and accuracy, and Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not an internet guide. Sorry, bchick222, but wikipedia really isn't the place for this. Note to whoever closes this: Also delete Septim's pride. -- Dragonfiend 18:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

• Lets look at Concerned. It's a web comic with a good amount of viewers. Exactly when did it qualify to attain a Wiki? Did it need to be shown in a magazine? Did it need 1000 users? The point where a comic meets the conditions is gray. Deepfatfryed 22:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
  • It's really not much of a grey area. As per long-standing official policy, Wikipedia articles must be based on verifiable information from reliable sources with reputations for fact-checking and accuracy. So, yes, the fact that Concerned has been covered by at least three magazines and Septim's Pride "hasn't had any media recognition" means that we'll keep the former but not the latter. Our goal is to create a reliable encyclopedia on topics of historical importance. You may be more interested in Comixpedia which allows original research on webcomics, and doesn't require third-party reliable sources for its articles. -- Dragonfiend 22:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - Absolutely no assertion of notability. Just check out the website. - Hahnchen 21:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.