Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samantha Aber

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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[edit] Samantha Aber

Subject of a soon-to-be-forgotten spat at UNE that is of no interest to anyone outside the university and of little interest to a university member. Pilatus 14:00, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. NN, vanity. Devotchka 16:09, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
• As she is President of the Students Association at the University of New England, she is of reasonable interest there. However, she is not currently sufficiently notable outside that campus to warrant an article. However, given the fact that many Liberals involved in student politics have graduated to electoral politics in later years she may well become notable in the future. For now, Delete. Capitalistroadster 17:03, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable student politician. -- Cnwb 23:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. Capitalistroadster 17:06, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
• Note: the original author just tried to blank the article. I guess we can count that as another Delete vote... Owen× ☎ 00:06, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable -- Ian ≡ talk 00:14, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete; only "notability" is a minor tempest at a university. MCB 01:27, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Aber is notable as the only Liberal student president in office anywhere in Australia and for the frequent controversies, which have made the national news several times. Ambi 06:56, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
  • I was looking for her being mentioned in the national news, hoping she would be more controversial than the everyday, garden-variety student politician, after all the Liberal club is associated with the Australian Liberal party, and the accusation of corruption and financial mismanagement sounds pretty severe. Now Google comes up with about 100 hits, of which 36 are unique when looking for her name on English pages ("aber" happens to mean "but" in German). Most of these hits are university minutes. Pilatus 13:00, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Factiva shows that she's made the news nine times over the last year (and I know for a fact there has been more), which isn't bad for someone of her position in my book. Moreover, she is the direct focus of four critical articles in The Australian. I'm at another university several hundred kilometres away; her notability extends well beyond UNE. Ambi 00:27, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Factiva requires a subscription, as does the archive of The Australian. What do those sources say about her, does she pass the five-year test, or are the goings-on at UNE just another case of extra-shambolic administration at a student government? When I was at uni we were treated to a very similar spectacle - the previous incumbents had been in power for 20 years or so and were thoroughly corrupt, the challengers threatened to sweep out the muck with the proverbial iron broom and then turned out to be just as corrupt and incompetent. In short, it was an exercise in striking poses, nothing more. Pilatus 14:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
        • What five-year test? Aber is notable because of events in this one year alone; her reign has become nationally notorious. Ambi 23:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep going by what Ambi said -- Chuq 07:36, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Ambi. Who knew the stakes of student politics included getting your Wikipedia article AfD'd? ～J.K. 08:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
• Conditional Keep if it can be expanded and freed from any WP:NOR vios. Why are her views a minority? Show me on the article. Add some links about why she's notable. Right now it can be salvaged, but it has to evolve to survive at this point, its current incarnation is not acceptable. Karmafist 16:36, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
  • There are no NOR issues here. Everything in that article can be sourced to stories in the national (not local) media. Ambi 23:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Please do.

• Delete as per User:Capitalistroadster. Bjelleklang - talk 16:37, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
• Remove POV and Keep. Snottygobble | Talk 01:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
• Neutral. I've made it pretty NPOV but it still needs links to external references. If no-one can be bothered adding some, then I would be Delete. Regards, Ben Aveling 07:05, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.