Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saampan

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Notability was never established by those proposing to keep the article -- No Guru 17:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saampan

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As I said on the talk page, this article is just the band advertising itself with text copied straight from its web site. The creator removed my speedy delete tag without responding on the talk page. Keppa 23:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete - copyright violation if not vanity. - Richardcavell 23:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
  • KeepI am still working on this page. I also added a stub indicating that it's work in progress. Can you please abstain from deleting this for a couple of weeks. I need to add more to the content and also link to different relevant articles in Wikipedia. Sorry about deleting your speedy deletion tag ... I thought that I could do that once I added the stub. Also, this is not just an advertisement for the band. We are a non-commercial band that is trying to add to the Bangla Band movement in Bengal in our own little way. We epitomize life here in the US for first generation Bengalis in our original songs. We intend to modernize Rabindranath Tagore's songs so that second and third generation Bengalis in the western world are aware of Tagore's gems.Saampan 00:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - notability. Wiki is an encyclopedia and should concentrate on notable persons/events etc. Wiki is not Myspace. KsprayDad 23:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. DVD+ R/W 23:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I am very new to wikipedia, and am requesting that this page be given some time. Keppa, the person who put the Saampan article up in afd, has an article of his own called Colors (band) which I feel is VERY similar to the Saampan article. So, I am unable to understand why this article got put up for deletion. Can someone please guide me better? Saampan 00:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
    • OK. Reason #1 and Reason #2. Aplomado talk 00:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Are you saying that the band has to be "commercial" in order to be eligible for a Wiki article? I have mentioned upfront that Saampan is a non-commercial band. It has more to do with the Bengali community in the US. I have also mentioned that Saampan's members are real people with day jobs. They are doing this for a completely different purpose. I really like your definition of "notability"!!! You know what? I think the article should be deleted ... I don't think we want to be part of something where notability is defined thus. Saampan 01:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
        • No, it doesn't have to be commercial. It has to be notable. How is your band notable? Aplomado talk 02:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I also wanted to respond to each person here voting for deletion. For Richard Cavell, this is not copyright violation by any means. The band creates its own music or recreates popular Bengali songs. Where do you see violation??? For all others who are questioning the "notability" of this band, I want to ask whether all other bands listed on Wikipedia are "notable" bands. I can point you to atleast a couple of dozen band related articles that are not ... including Keppa's (Ryan's) six that are listed on his User:Keppa page. Can someone please tell me what I need to do to help this article live on Wikipedia ... rather than simply shooting at it? Where can someone vote to keep the article? Saampan 00:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
    • If there are other articles of non-notable bands, then by all means they should be deleted. The fact that there are other non-notable bands with articles doesn't establish a precedent. Aplomado talk 01:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Talk about not biting the newcomers!!!Saampan 01:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Can you please let me know how I can put all such band articles on afd? Or will you take responsibility for that? ... the good Wiki citizen that you are.Saampan 01:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Alright, first of all, my name's not Ryan. Don't know where that one came from. Let's just refer to me as Keppa, shall we? Second, the four (not six; one of those articles is a Ralph Vaughn Williams song cycle, and the other is an event) bands on my page are notable, if a little controversial. Two of them have been through AfD and survived; of the other two, one performed in the Salt Lake City Olympics, and one has a song on the soundtrack of a major motion picture. Please do not take these deletion proceedings personally. No one here has anything against your band. I understand how that is, as I have had articles that I put time and effort into nominated for deletion as well. As a newcomer it can be hard. But community consensus exists to ensure that the rules are enforced, and your band simply does not meet the requirements (see WP:MUSIC) to have an article. Keppa 04:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom...sorry. —Khoikhoi 02:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete ---|Newyorktimescrossword 02:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)|
  • Delete per nom. Whatever the copyvio status, the article is an advertisement in very PoV terms for a band that seems to have released no recordings and has had no success so far. If and when it achieves those things, then we should have an article on it. (In other words, this vote shouldn't be taken to rule out an article in the future.) --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 07:55, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
  • KeepKeep the article. I say we keep the article and give the band a chance to become notable.20:19, 8 May 2006 (UTC)~~
    • Comment: Wrong order. You become notable first, then get a WP article. Stifle (talk) 11:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • KeepI love this band's music. Keep the article pleaseAnurupa Anurupa 23:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
    • The usernames of the only three keep votes are the first names of members of the band. Seems kind of suspicious. Keppa 04:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:BAND. Stifle (talk) 11:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Being an avid follower of this band, I would really like this article to be kept. This group has been formed by a bunch of people who would like to evangelize Bengali music.This group strives to revitalize the old Bengali songs among the newer generation -- the music which today, without the help of anybody, will become extinct. User pradips
  • Delete per Stifle and nominator. DarthVader 13:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - per nom. Zaxem 04:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
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