Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SILVANO TOGNERI

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Shanel 00:53, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SILVANO TOGNERI

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Non-notable bio. James084 04:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete From listening to the mp3, seems to be Italy's (non-notable) answer to Wesley Willis.OhNoitsJamie^Talk 06:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn as above.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 06:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. fungi hunter? seem extrememly local. nn. pschemp | talk 06:51, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete A fungi hunter that has mushroomed - wow if these editors put the same effort into encyclopedic articles - oh what colour would be added. But for now well this article printed would make good compost. VirtualSteve 08:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Although this name has 19K google hits at first glance, 18900 of them disappear if you -site:barganews.com. Thus, notability, if any, is very local. Adrian Lamo ·· 10:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Adrian --Ruby 14:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Adrian's fun Google results. Notability is, shall we say, dubious. Lord Bob 18:51, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Do Not Delete Short sightedness to Outsider Art is a common position that many easily take without starting to understand the first principle concept of its foundation. Far from non/notable Silvano has international acclaim from leading Jazz composers. Wikipedia is about knowledge of all for all. Not knowledge fascim by a few close minds dictating content control in order to not understand. Just because YOU don't like or understand his music does not mean others will. Keep this article. --RAW 08:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: to User:Rawcut -- I'm open to hearing about verifiable evidence of international acclaim that I might have missed. If you have it, please provide it -- don't just assert that it exists. While we all like to assume good faith, we get people telling us how wrong we are on a regular enough basis that it's impossible to just take it at face value and say "Oh, this guy thinks he's notable? Kept!" We'd never delete anything at that rate. So, I'm happy to give you the benefit of the doubt, but please cite sources if they exist. Adrian Lamo ·· 20:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete unable to verify any claim to notability. Derek from the Frog and Frigate had a successful career based on singing in bars, but he's not notable either. Guy 23:12, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Do Not Delete Silvano Togneri is a musician of great distinction whose adroitness is held in high regard in the international music world. I am not aware of the measuring tools used to determine notability, but I was saddened to see that on Wikipedia, a site I hold in high regard, Togneri's article might be destined for deletion. "Those works created from solitude and from pure and authentic creative impulses - where the worries of competition, acclaim and social promotion do not interfere - are, because of these very facts, more precious than the productions of professions." - Jean Dubuffet. Validusername 23:58, 20 February 2006

Comment There is a fine line between "outsider art" or "art brut" and "exploitation." The exploitation debate surround Wesley Willis as well. However, Willis's verifiable popularity easily satisifies WP:Music, whereas Silvano does not. Furthermore, no one has produced any actual quotes from notable jazz musicians (or anyone else notable) praising Silvano. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 16:51, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• Do Not Delete I have downloaded a few of his songs and have even met someone who’s brother has actually seen him live. Yes, he is very outsider but the net is currently buzzing with thousands of remixes of his songs. It has become a sort of internet remix craze. Some of the better mixes have been played in a nightclub in Liverpool. We may end up with one of the remixes being quoted in wiki but not the original!!--Deety 08:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Do Not Delete See Talk:SILVANO_TOGNERI —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Barganews (talk • contribs).
• Do Not Delete Wikipedia is about information which is not main stream. The suggestions to delete this entry are on the grounds of taste only. To also suggest deletion of this entry on the grounds of someone's mental ability would also been seen as illegal in many countries. I live in Sofia Bulgaria but I am aware of Silvano Togneri as my brother is a travelling muscian who has played Barga Jazz festival and informed of the wonderful outsider art which is promoted in the Tuscan town of Barga. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.8.60.62 (talk • contribs) .

Comment Wikipedia is based on established notability, which this subject lacks. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 16:57, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.