Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Retcon punch

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete Thryduulf 11:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Retcon punch

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Not notable enough for an entry. Minor speculative fan terminology. Only one of a multitude of offhand phrases used to describe something that has yet to be named officially, if it ever will be. Could be considered fancruft. - Chris Griswold 22:34, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

From the article's discussion page, under the heading "delete":

• Delete There are a variety of terms being used for this, none of them official. If anything, this entry may influence people in thinking it is an official term, encouraging the use. --Chris Griswold 15:54, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Unsourced, unofficial and unnecessary term. Should remain on comics forums, where it belongs. DoctorWorm7 20:20, 17 April 2006 (UTC)"

Comment On top of being a neologism, the term appears to be restricted to the comic fandom in general. I don't see any chance of a larger appeal to a general audience, such as with the term Fonzie Syndrome. It's hard to apply "retcon punch" to other types of media.--DoctorWorm7 20:23, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Weak Keep. Maybe allow some time to establish notability? I'm tempted to just call it a Neologism and say delete, but it does seem to be in widespread use in the fandom, and different users have started to reference it in other articles. So it could be argued there's a desire for an article. Really should've waited longer before starting an article though.Furthestshore 14:31, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep due to precedent (Fonzie syndrome and Sunnydale syndrome, both "unofficial" terms used by the fandoms to describe a phenomenon). Additionally hits on google have increased from 109 on April 6th to 382 on April 19th. The phenomenon is clearly being discussed using this term.D1Puck1T 17:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep Now at 420 and presumably still rising. --Mister Six 21:55, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment The 420 instances on Google using the term "retcon punch" (with quotations) only returns 26 unique instances. All are forums, personal blogs, or sites like Wikipedia.--DoctorWorm7 23:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - this is being used increasingly online, and having the definition/explanation available is very helpful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.194.41.143 (talk • contribs) .

This article is influencing the usage, not chronicling it. It's part of a weird fan campaign. --Chris Griswold 14:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - There needs to be an article explaining the effects of Superboy Prime's effect on continuity.Until DC comes up with an official term (like Hypertime) this seems to be the place to put it, since it does look like the most used term in the fandom. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.255.1.19 (talk • contribs) .

Shouldn't it just be merged with Superboy-Prime? Since it's a facet of his powers? --Chris Griswold 14:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge with Superboy-Prime article. It may be a fan term, but it's very widespread, and having encountered it so much offline, I believe we should note it somewhere on wikipedia. Even if its usage doesn't spread beyond comic fandom, anyone doing research in comic history (and having completed a cultural studies paper on Green Lantern, I can tell you it happens) needs to understand where and why this term comes up. Cybertooth85 17:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge with Superboy-Prime article. If 'a wizard did it' is important enough to warrant it's own article, then something that has affected a fictional universe as much as Superboy-Prime's retcon punches should no doubt have it's own article. Densetzu no Gaizen 11:03 PM EST, 24 April 2006 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.170.166.246 (talk • contribs) .

Keep. I think you should keep it because it is a useful article and DC hasn't given us an official term for this important thing yet so it makes sense to use the term the fans are using. I dont use wiki often and I used it for this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.77.146.184 (talk • contribs) .

• Keep I have a feeling that it's going to in use for a while. CovenantD 04:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete The term just sounds completely ridiculous, and I'm not sure how long it's going to be used. --Joe Sewell 16:52, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge I fully agree with Densetzu no Gaizen, and I too searched on Google, and yes, the Superboy Retcon Punch is going to became the official "Wizard" of the DCU. Even the Wizard faded only a bit with time, but wasn't forgotten DrTofu83 18:18, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Citation? --Chris Griswold 18:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Thanos6 22:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• Merge with Superboy-Prime. JoshuaZ 04:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. I'm surprised there's even debate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.126.245.169 (talk • contribs) .

• Delete - unsourced cruft with a couple dozen unique Google hits. --phh (^t/_c) 17:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Keep. Look at the article Sliding_timescale. Like this it talks about something that clearly exists in comic books, even if it's not an "official" word. This is something that [i]is[/i] important enough to get an article and the article has to go somewhere. A title widely used by fans is the best choice until there's an official word. Did Superboy Prime change coninuity? Yes, verifiably. Do fans make jokes about how far it could go? Yes, not [i]as[/i] verifiable, but there's such a thing as common sense. Is there an official word yet? No, so, within reason, any title for the article would be acceptable, but a word the fans use would be best. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.143.243.114 (talk • contribs) . (unsign added by JoshuaZ 21:11, 26 April 2006 (UTC))

• weak Merge to one of the articles on either the character or the event. Deletion will not bother me. -- stillnotelf is invisible 04:11, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

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