Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Post goth

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --lightdarkness ^(talk) 14:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Post goth

Neologism.

This genre doesn't exist, it was most likely created to advertise the MySpace bands who are linked throughout the article. Deathrocker 03:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Poorly-defined genre; no evidence given for differentiation between this and a similarly-named movement in the 1980's. The article turns in to an advert for three non-notable bands at the half-way point too, so a failure on all counts.  (aeropagitica)  (talk)  05:47, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:SPAM and WP:NEO--☆TBC☆ 05:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NEO also fails to provide sources to support article's subject Ydam 12:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. DarthVader 12:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - per pkbarbiedoll. This article is full of truthiness and little truth. Readers wanting to know more about gothic music and culture should refer to an existing well laid out and explained article, Goth. I agree with the arguments for deletion above (and below, wherever this winds up). 15:03, 20 May 2006

A vandal attempted to remove this from the Articles for Deletion as well as removing the tag from the article - Deathrocker 00:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete appears to be advertisement for a few bands. Basically, a myspace linkfarm. Non notable. Unverifiable. Also, I put a warning on the talk page of the user who removed the AfD tag and attempted to remove the article from the AfD record. IrishGuy 01:12, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Vanity and self promation page. Asatruer 13:06, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. BD2412 T 13:06, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

this page should not be deleted for several reasons - first i havent gotten a chance to explain the differences between the 80's post gth movementand the modern one - even considering that the 8's post goth label was missapplied and most crtics just claim its all goth, and thats where the modern movement differs - it really i post goth,

as for self promotion - it isnt - the three bands i put in there are all legit notable groups from this genre each with a major national or international following, each with radio eaiplay - they are the lab animals, vhs or beta and unkle.

wiki cant delete articles because one person believes a genre doesnt exist - it would leave wiki uncomplete and out of touch with moden culture which it seems many of the people voting for deletion say -

i submit you must prove that this genre doesnt exist and thereby disprove rolling stones and nme's articles on the subject.

wiki cant afford to let personal taste or selfishness dictate its knowledge base or risk becoming outdated and insignificant.

the page is still uncompleted any deletion before it i finished would do wiki users a disservice and will apply deletion erroniousy

• Delete - The term post-goth is a neologism. It is not commonly used, and the Google hits on "post goth" don't refer to the subject matter in the article.--Adrift* 12:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

you dint look hard enough on google - i will include the articles when i get permission from the publishers to include their intellectual properties,

wikipedia should be ahead of the curve, not behind it, and now that we have finished the discussion on band advertisements those arguments should be dropped. thanx

• Comment - None of the bands listed sound even remotely Goth, in fact, they're all fairly stylistically different from one another. VHS or Beta is Indie or at best modern Post-Punk. The Lab Animals put it nicely on their myspace page... they're Down-Tempo. The Glass Project is also Down-Tempo or possibly dancey Synth-Pop with a dash of Future-pop. Unkle77 floats between Avante-Garde Hip-hop and Illbient. The only relation that is obvious is that "Moth" or Dimitri Spanoa is creator of the Glass Project, and The Lab Animals, however there's confusion about this since there are contradicting stories from both this page and the probably nonnotable WP:VAIN article for Dimitri Spanoa. Neologism aside, it's all pretty good music!--Adrift* 03:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Original research. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 22:09, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - I agree with the points the other editors have brought up. There are no citations to back any of the claims made in this article; VHS OR BETA defines themselves as Experimental/Rock/House on their MySpace page; post-goth is not listed on allmusic.com as a subgnere nor are there any notable websites devoted to "post-goth" bands or the "post-goth" subculture. Any references I can find for "post-goth" via a google search are contradictory and confusing, the label seems to be applied in a haphazard manner to any band the writer the writer can think of (the Vanishing, the Cure, My Chemical Romance, Dead Can Dance, Bauhaus, Devo, etc.), and most of the "post goth" google hits are referring to something other than a music subgenre (which is significantly inflating the number of google hits). Until it can be clearly demonstrated that "post-goth" is an already existing music subgenre (one which is not being artifically manufactured), then the article should be deleted. FilmGal 02:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - Shameless self-promotion.--MALCOMXBLISS 06:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per FilmGal and Adrift. Also, any non-original-research on this page is already covered (more exhaustively) at Goth.

• Comment even with the current alterations to the article, it's still not convincing. It still borrows heavily from the Goth article, the term "post-goth" in this instance is still non-notable, and I haven't heard Glow, but The Vanishing are a Deathrock/Post-Punk band. The label they ascribe to themselves is in itself a tongue in cheek neologism.--Adrift* 21:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Tom Harrison ^Talk 00:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete There really doesn't seem to be enough usage and acceptance of the term out there to prove that this is an actual genre. Also, I checked out the bands, and they really don't have any connection..other than possibly being referred to as "post-goth" somewhere, or having some sort of "dark" imagery. In order for a genre to exist, there should be some sort of underlying similarity in the sound of a number of bands. I don't see it here. Also, despite being well-read and rather knowledgeable on the goth genre and other genres that predated and followed goth, I have NEVER come across "post-goth" being a genre in the 80's. "Positive punk", yes, "post-punk", yes, but not "post-goth". As of yet it's not a current genre, sub-genre, or subculture. Therefore, it has no place in wikipedia. CatZilla 20:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.