Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phil Gray (Gaven)

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Phil Gray (Gaven)

Notability assertions everywhere, but none are up to WP:BIO. Article can't decide what it wants to be, and even if it were to be kept, it would need a complete rewrite. Delete. (|-- UlTiMuS 03:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Phil Gray has recieved Centenary Medal (awarded by Federal Government), has streets named after him, and has demonstrated awards and services - how is this not a notable person? He's one of the most decorated non-military persons in the Gold Coast and Hinterland region. Search Hansard for citation in Parliament regarding his services. Has various monuments to him in stone and bronze in Studio Village/Helensvale region (Northern Gold Coast). I'll check the BIO requirements in a sec... Johnpf 05:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

After looking at the WP:BIO policy, I find 61 links from Google on him ("Phil Gray" Helensvale), including links to all the major TV channels (7, 9MSN, ABC and 10) Newspaper articles from as far afield as Townsville and Newcastle (1500 and 800km away each - not everyone gets noticed that far from home!), Sydney newspapers (different State!). I didnt include his entire record in Education - he has been a major voice in policy and standar disation in Queensland over a 38 year period. He has impacted on the lives of at least 100,000 people directly, and about 6 million indirectly. I'd also point out that the WP:BIO tests are as follows:

The person made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field

Education and Community Service, awarded Centenary Medal, so is nationally recognised as notable, including by Federal Government of Australia

Major local political figures who receive (or received) significant press coverage

in by-election last March 2006

Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events

for his work with Westfield Helensvale.

Google Test

as above, with specific search for '"Phil Gray" Helensvale'

I guess the issue is whether WP is a global resource or not. This man is important and notable to about a third of Australia's 6th largest city. I accept the point that the article is not well written, and it was something I was intending to rewrite over time. I didnt expect it to be put up for deletion within 3 hours though! Keep and Clean Johnpf 05:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete NN, political career isn't that far yet and he isn't a Mother Teresa as far as service goes --Musaabdulrashid 07:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Of course, if being like Mother Teresa was the standard there'd be what, 10 or 11 bios in wikipedia! Johnpf 11:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Everything on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable using reliable sources. Any sources for the information in the article? Currently it has none. If he is notable it should be easy to come up with sources. Weregerbil 12:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom ST47 12:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: one in 1,200 Australians got the Centenary medal, hence the 5 Google hits for "Phil Gray" "Centenary Medal". Person is doing valuable local work, but is not up to the standard Wikipedia should have (though, of course, it often does not live up to that standard with other articles). Fram 13:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment A search for Phil Gray shows he has received some coverage in the media. However, he lost the seat of Gaven for the Labor Party in a byelection and Antony Green's assessment is that he is unlikely to win it in next month's election. (Antony Green is one of Australia's leading political analysts). [1] Further, it reads like an ALP brochure at the moment so it would need a rewrite. Delete unless rewritten with verifiable information and in an NPOV form. Capitalistroadster 01:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 01:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

• I've removed all references to the ALP, and done a little tidying up. Johnpf 05:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. Deuterium 01:15, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator. RFerreira 08:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and rewrite so it isn't a labor campaign page. If he isn't elected after the election in two weeks time maybe his current contributions are not viable but he certainly fits a few WP:BIO categories right now so from that viewpoint it is not a reason to delete either way. Most notably he fits in terms newspaper coverage so we can easily find a neutral representation for the page. Ansell 12:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.