Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Carroll

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep an obvious bad faith (several oned by the same anon ) `'mikkanarxi 20:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Carroll

Peter Carroll (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Article flagged for Non-Notability quite a while ago, but AfD stalled as IP editor who placed template could not complete AfD page setup --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 06:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete - I think we ought to be writing about this guy. MER-C 07:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • aside - YES! (now, that guy is notable.) --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 07:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep - Deleting this would be like deleting Aleister Crowley or Gerald Gardner. Also, I am at loss as to why you flagged this again. I brought up the IP who originally flagged this to the admins' attention, and I assumed it was them who removed the tag the first time, just as they did with many of the other pages this user tagged.[1] --Tsuzuki26 08:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • comment - I did not flag this "again", I reverted the removal of an AfD notice. The AfD notice was inappropriately removed by FK0071a, not an admin. As I explained in response to your comments on my talk page, I am simply helping out an IP editor and a stalled AfD process. I have no stake in this. --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 19:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment - If it had not been removed by FK0071a it would have been removed by an admin, just as most of that IP's AfD tags were. --Tsuzuki26 21:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep - I fully agree with Tsuzuki26! Wikipedia is about information for further study. Wikipedia supplies information and it's stupid AfD like this that really are putting me off Wiki. I mean, this guy co-founded the Illuminates of Thanateros! He coined the term Chaos Magick and was the 'inventor' of it I suppose. He is one of Europes most well known occultists, and one of, if not the, most well known Chaoist/Chaoite. He is also a well known author. FK0071a 09:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
  • If those statements are true, you should be able to cite sources confirming all of them. You should also be able to cite sources to demonstrate that this person satisfies the Wikipedia:Criteria for inclusion of biographies. We don't do unsourced biographies here. Currently, you have cited no sources at all, anywhere. Uncle G 13:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - We could change the name to Peter J. Carroll, seeing as how that's the name he's published under, and it would avoid confusion. --Tsuzuki26 10:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Agree with comment this author is already shown under [2] FK0071a 10:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep comparing him to Aleister Crowley is a bit of hyperbole, but Peter Carroll meets WP:BIO and is rather well known in occult circles. A move to Peter J. Carroll or Peter Carroll (occultist) and a dab at this namespace might be in order, but not deletion.--Isotope23 16:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Peter J Carroll is one of the most widely influential occult writers and practitioners of the last 50 years. He "invented" Chaos Magic. He sold many 10`s of thousands of his books, over the course of 3 decades. Do i sense sour-grapes asthe reason for this nomination?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.219.142.172 (talk • contribs).
• Keep per his notability. Sharkface217 20:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep - possible bad faith nom. Peter Carroll is, like others have said, one of the most widely influential occult authors, invented Chaos Magic, etc., etc. -999 (Talk) 20:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, meets WP:BIO. Nominator has added AfD to an unusually high number of similar articles. Mallanox 22:20, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, meets WP:BIO. Peter Carroll is a god. 22:20, 30 November 2006—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.219.142.172 (talk • contribs). (second vote by this user)

• Keep, Author of at least 4 published books from a reputable publisher in the genre (read: not vanity press), written about by other authors such as Phil Hine in Prime Chaos and if I recall by Packwood as well, in addition to topical periodicals. Mentioned in numerous websites; Google shows nearly 300k results for "peter carroll and chaos magic" alone, not including 305k more for the alternate spelling of "magic" as "magick" and various mispellings of his name showing yet more. If Chaos Magick is notable as a new religious movement or philosophical trend, then he's definately notable as the author of one of their most important works of philosophy and technique (Liber Chaos). If that doesn't fulfil WP:BIO I'll eat my hat. Wintermut3 23:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per the above, passes WP:BIO. I don't see the problem here. RFerreira 02:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.