Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Lau

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was MERGE to La Salle College. I do not think that having every single reference to an article neither in the article nor in English is meeting WP:V. This is the English Wikipedia, and as it stands it is impossible for most people in the world who choose to read this article to verify its contents. One or two of the sources even require registration! However, AGF says that the sources say what it is claimed they do and this only barely touches the two-thirds level, so I think a smerge to the school is probably enough. I'm just going to redirect and leave the merge to someone else from the history; painful detail about the headteachers upbringing would not work well in that article, nor would much more than a mention in the infobox. -Splash^talk 22:43, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Lau

Delete :Non-notable and also NPOV and a lot of nonesense--Rjstott 10:16, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as nn-bio. --Terence Ong 10:48, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep: The principal of one of the ten most famous schools in Hong Kong is more than enough of a notable person to be mentioned here. Moreover, the article is in this current non-neutral state only because it has received heavy vandalism from people against Paul Lau, which are anonymous users. If these vandalism materials are being reverted, the article is certainly neutral in general. The current state of the article without a biography section, is only a transitional state as if many other comprehensively-written biographies were at their early weeks. I believe with this proposal of deletion rejected, the article will certainly receive improvement and expansion. As an experienced editor on Wikipedia and a person who knows Paul Lau in real life, I'm certain that I can expand the contents of this article while keeping it neutral, provided that it's not being deleted right here. Deryck C. 13:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, as per Deryck C., I do not agree that the article is not notable. In fact, a number of principals of the schools under the category Secondary schools in Hong Kong have their own article. Moreover, the problem of NPOV is not a reason for deletion. Microtony 14:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as not notable or significant. The school of which he is principal, La Salle College, does seem notable. This is not the same as making him independently significant or notable; at most he deserves a mention in La Scalle's article. The only information in this article that might not be appropriate in La Salle's is that he plays the harmonica. Sliggy 14:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, as per Microtony. Paddytang 00:17, 28 February 2006 (GMT+8)
• Delete First every school gets kept. Now every school principal? Absurd. Sorry, but school principals are not inherently notable for being a principal. A smerge to La Salle College could be in order. FCYTravis 21:13, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

  With the school's fame, Paul Lau often appears on newspapers in Hong Kong. This give him enoughly significant importance to have an article, according to the rule stating Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events on WP:BIO. Deryck C. 01:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

  Comment - I would be delighted to reverse my opinion if you can provide verifiable sources for your assertion Lau has achieved "renown or notoriety" via newspapers in Hong Kong. Thanks. Sliggy 16:24, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

  Comment: Sources supplied below. I would be happy to provide on request translations of the Chinese sources cited below. On the other hand, even if this article is to be deleted, speedy delete/merge doesn't seem to be an option because the article has been existent since December 2005. Speedy is only applicable to new articles. Deryck C. 16:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

  I must admit that I can't read Chinese and the scmp.com references require me to subscribe/pay for access, so I can't use the sources (that have been kindly provided) to verify Lau's notability.

  It might also be interesting to note that there is no article about, for example, Anthony Little, the Head Master of Eton College (a notable English school).

  Finally, I do think the best place for verifiable sources is within the article itself. Sliggy 18:52, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

  My comment about Anthony Little is that he definitely deserves an article. He doesn't have one just because nobody wants to do this, perhaps tedious, job. Deryck C. 08:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Non-notable bio. One sentence at La Salle College should suffice quite nicely. -- Krash (Talk) 16:44, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
• Well it hasn't got better, I go with a short entry to merge --Rjstott 18:31, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
• Neutral. If Deryck Chan can supply verifiable sources for his assertions, I will gladly vote to keep this article, otherwise delete it. Hall Monitor 19:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
• Well the recent update proves the non-notability bit, there's nothing here that most of us non-notables could match!--Rjstott 11:48, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Links to pages (in Chinese) mentioning or quoting Paul Lau on news reports: http://life.mingpao.com/htm/2005hkcee/cfm/content.cfm?Path=news2/news031.htm&CFID=2156222&CFTOKEN=22862644 http://www.hkedcity.net/article/education_issue/050225-003/index.phtml http://news.sina.com.hk/cgi-bin/news/show_news_f2.cgi?type=focus&name=20041124&id=727620

in English: on SCMP.com, one of the most notable English newspapers in HK, need to register http://education.scmp.com/ZZZZQP4GA9E.html http://education.scmp.com/index.html?GXHC_gx_session_id_FutureTenseContentServer=f5f3b51f1f99f3ae

--Deryck C. 08:22, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

More news sources http://www.singpao.com/20050709/local/734105.html http://www.rthk.org.hk/rthk/radio5/familyteach/20050303.html http://www.epochtimes.com.tw/bt/5/6/20/n959553.htm --Microtony 15:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Final comment: As most users proposing a "delete" stated that they would reverse their vote if verifiable sources are provided and those sources are already stated above, there is no point to delete the article. Deryck C. 14:27, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment, please note my opinion remains delete as I cannot use the quoted sources to verify this gentleman's notability, as previously mentioned. Sliggy 16:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC).

You may retain your "delete" because it's up to your own choice, but you cannot verify the sources doesn't mean the sources are non-verifiable. Deryck C. 07:01, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

One even more unreasonable point concerning your action is that you don't know how to read Chinese, but before you ask for help in translation or verification of the sources you conclude that you cannot confirm Lau's notability. There are many many Wikipedians who are neutral about this issue and knows how to read Chinese, such as Huaiwei or Jiang. They can act as neutral adjudicators in this dispute. Why don't you ask for help before you come to such negative conclusion? Deryck C. 07:21, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I asked for a source to verify the article's content. None was provided. (The article still lacks any references, by the way). Sources were, however, provided for those who could read Chinese and/or were willing to pay for the information. I was very careful in phrasing my subsequent comment, in that I couldn't verify the article's content. Then you declared that I had verified the content; when I commented on this incorrect assertion you declare me to be "unreasonable". This does not seem terribly polite. I am entitled to a viewpoint, however incorrect you might deem it to be. Sliggy 16:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I know that I might be a bit impolite, but please note the fact that Microtony and I provided sources. It's your problem not knowing how to read Chinese. You cannot read the sources doesn't mean I didn't provide the sources. Deryck C. 04:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment,as this article has back to neutral, so i think the "deletion" warning has to be removed. Paddytang 15:08, 5 March 2006 (GMT +8).

Attention that Wiki is not the platform for arguing, please be serious, even Mr. Slig please.Paddytang 00:57, 6 March 2006 (GMT +8).

• Delete:I think having an article for this person is okay, as La Salle College is one of the most famous school in Hong Kong. However, the aricle content shows nothing about his work in this school as a principal. It is like if we just talk about the childhood of George W. Bush, but do not mention his work during his presdiency in US. --150.101.72.85

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.