Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Otley Run

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. I haven't counted the "votes", so I don't know what a strict numerical result would be, but my gut says "don't delete". fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 07:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Otley Run

An article about a particular pub crawl. The author has designated about a third of it as "trivia" but in the context of an encyclopedia, I think that is rather low. Not verifiable from mainstream published sources. Delete. Bhoeble 09:11, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, every town in the UK has a pub crawl, not one of them is special, nor are they encyclopaedic. And WP:V, also. Proto t c 09:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-25 10:26Z
• Delete per Proto. Maybe merge some of the trivia with Headingley -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 14:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per nom. -Rebelguys2 19:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Latinus 20:25, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, per Proto. --NaconKantari e|t||c|m 20:27, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
• Week keep Farily well known to the average students at Leeds uni. Probalby verifiable by local/university press. --Salix alba (talk) 00:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as unencyclopedic. Wikipedia is not a list of student habits or pubs. Stifle 14:31, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - potentially provides insight on life in a studentified area.Jamse 18:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Comment - The consensus seems to be to delete this article. Would the same apply to Campus 14? Lan3y 19:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Less than 36 hours seemed quite soon to be declaring a consensus, so I checked out the policy page - this says an article must be given five days on Afd. Regarding Campus 14, some of the points in the nomination do not apply to that article - specifically, the comment on how much trivia is in the article. Jamse 21:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Alright, allow me to rephrase. Let me just make it clear that I am not proposing to delete Campus 14. What I want to know is whether people have a general objection to articles about bar crawls, as Proto and others have said above, or whether it is something specific to the Otley Run, that merits it being deleted. I do not believe that the % of "trivia" content is a valid reason for deleting an article; the test for inclusion should be whether the article has potential to be encyclopaedic. This is what I would like to ascertain. Lan3y 00:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, sorry I misunderstood. Well, I guess my position's already clear - I think these entries can be encyclopaedic. I think the notability or otherwise of something like this is a matter of POV. For those interested in drink culture in different towns it could be notable, for interested in student culture in Leeds it could be notable. For a pensioner in New York, it's not likely to be notable! Jamse 01:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

• KeepThe Otley Run exists and has a reputation among British students as one of the best pub crawls in Britain. It has been mentioned by the BBC. I have added a link to the main Pub Crawl page which provides a decent article. There are 870 hits on Google for the Otley Run. I am unclear on the reasons for deletion, unless there is a concern here for saving space. This is not a Pub Crawl that someone has invented and placed on Wiki; it is a famous Pub Crawl. Should the listing be changed from Deletion to Cleanup? I am new here so am unsure of the reasons for article deletion. I have read the deletion policy, but fail to see that this article qualifies for deletion, though can see a reason for Cleanup. Unless a stronger explanation can be given for deletion then I vote to keep. SilkTork 21:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
• Expand/Clean-up - This article was created as it was on the list for requests for creation. So someone must have wanted it. If we're going to delete this article then Campus 14 and Monopoly Pub Crawl should be deleted aswell. So to save the article, it should be expanded to include as much info as the other pub crawl pages, and also cleaned up (trivia section removed or reduced?) Barry m 18:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, Expand & Clean-up - Im one of the people who edited this article and had created the Trivia section. I am quite a newbie to wikipedia and I believe the Otley Run article should be kept because it is such a coherent part of student culture in Leeds. I am a student myself in Leeds and it has always been a popular excursion. However I agree the article should be tidied up and also expanded to include history of this crawl. Alternatively it could possibly be merged with a possible article on the A660 road if this article were to be made in the future considering that the majority of public houses on this route lie adjacent to this road.--Wrh1973 19:49, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.