Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/One Boer - One Bullet

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus - we've got all forms of different opinons here. Mailer Diablo 15:55, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] One Boer - One Bullet

Extreme POV article without reliable references (the only reference points to an equally extreme POV website), created by an author User:Alcatel whose edits include addition of many unreferenced POV and racist statements to South Africa related articles. Also, in the context of South African history this slogan is nowhere near as politically significant as "One Settler, One Bullet", it is in fact a complete non-entity. Delete per WP:NPOV, WP:RS and WP:N as per above. Zunaid 15:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Clarification: While the POV argument above should not solely be used as a deletion criteria, it should be considered IN ADDITION to the fact that in the context of South African politics, "One Boer, One Bullet" doesn't even register, as indicated by Barno's argument below. While there is no inclusion criteria for slogans as such, I would assume it has to be well-known and in widespread usage, in which case there should be plenty of newspaper articles citing its use. Compared to "One Settler, One Bullet" and "Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer", this slogan is insignificant and undeserving of its own article. Zunaid 07:32, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment to closing admin: Many of the votes so far are for "keep and cleanup". As I've mentioned before, too many articles survive AfD based on these without the cleanup subsequently taking place. IMHO these votes should rightly be considered "delete unless rewritten". Zunaid 07:32, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep POV but should be improved, not deleted.--estavisti 15:51, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. If it can be cleaned up, why not... Grafikm_fr 16:08, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
    • And if it can't be? Zunaid 07:32, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - Wikipedia is large, slogans of similar significance are already mentioned if they are related to USA or Western Europe - South African topics are still more scarce on Wikipedia, but I am trying to change this. Alcatel 16:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, as per estavisti. It can be cleaned up. dewet|™ 16:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - if its POV lets deleted; what a stupid logic. Luka Jačov 17:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Weak keep slogan seems semi-notable but I don't really like the title. Kotepho 17:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Google shows little use of this slogan (searching for variations): Mostly just the linked website (which is not a reliable source) and some sites claiming a hacker left such a message. Luka Jačov is encouraged to read WP:NPOV, one of Wikipedia's three core principles. If more evidence of widespread usage and significance comparable to "One Settler, One Bullet" is provided, I'll vote to keep, but pending that, I'm leaning toward weak delete. Barno 19:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Cleanup as above. Wstaffor 02:13, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect to the widely known "One Settler, One Bullet". The use of "One Boer - One Bullet" seems very minor, if it is used at all. Elf-friend 08:27, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: I have created the "One Settler, One Bullet" article. Once this discussion has been closed, I will redirect this minor variant of it towards that article (where it will be mentioned). Elf-friend 09:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of information. As the article says, "One Boer - One Bullet is a very minor slogan in use in South Africa". There is, I would suggest, no practical limit to the number of "very minor slogans". Redirect per Elf-friend is fine by me as well, since that is a notable slogan (not least in that it has achieved some kind of presence outside South Africa) Just zis Guy you know? 17:53, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  •  :The words "very minor slogan" were added by Elf-friend. Alcatel 07:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
    • True ... and I stand behind my addition - the slogan has almost no Google hits and no coverage in any reputable press outlet that I am aware of. (And I must add that I am both a "Pretorianer" and a graduate of the University of Pretoria, where the slogan was apparently used.) This slogan is not in widespread use in South Africa and not deserving of its own article ... it is a minor variant of a much more famous slogan. Elf-friend 08:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect per Elf-friend. -- Visviva 23:31, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect as per Elf-friend. -Kieran 10:06, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


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