Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oceanview Elementary School, Albany, California

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Neutrality^talk 01:51, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Oceanview Elementary School, Albany, California

I've been to this school. This is a small school with no website, few students, NO notable events of alumni. It is not worthy of an entry. 67.170.236.180 07:20, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

NOTE TO CLOSER: Please read note about problem with AFD at bottom. --rob 02:15, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Yellow Pages. Pilatus 11:19, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete primary schools aren't notable. Dunc|☺ 11:56, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, schoolcruft. Proto t c 14:16, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete — anything below high school needs strong evidence of notability, I think. — RJH 15:25, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, If it lacks a website I consider that more reason to keep in this case. Students might actually be able to look something related to their school up now.Gateman1997 16:03, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

If it hasn't got a website, we'll need another way to verify its contents. Lack of a website is all the more reason to delete this if no other way turns up to verify it. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:26, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, simply doesn't belong in wikipedia... Splette
• Delete, doesn't indicate notability. Gazpacho 17:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - Non-notable school.--Isotope23 18:34, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Why not just put a table giving this information on the Clovis, California page? How much more can one usefully say about a primary school anyway? Average Earthman 18:39, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, on the contrary, primary schools are notable. Bahn Mi 19:38, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Vote removed as this is a hoax article allegedly perpetrated by Gateman1997. Bahn Mi 10:36, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete or merge to its school district or to Clovis, California. I strongly disagree with "If it lacks a website I consider that more reason to keep in this case." While no true consensus exists, I stand with the majority-supported precedent that primary schools need to have some very unusual notability to have a separate article rather than a mention in their school district or community. Barno 20:37, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nn Dottore So 20:38, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Barno Cmadler 21:04, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete: non-notable grade school. Jonathunder 21:18, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Comment: I have to laugh at the name of this school. Clovis is a long war from the ocean! User:Zoe|^(talk) 21:56, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Article gives no evidence of notability. --Carnildo 23:16, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete.WP:V, WP:RS, WP:N. Leaving aside the usual problems, this one does not have a single verified sentence even using a non-independent source (eg school website).--encephalonὲγκέφαλον 00:23, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• keep please but only if this is really verifiable like macgyver says Yuckfoo 06:59, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Notable school.--Nicodemus75 08:13, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Could you explain what makes it notable when its very existence cannot be proven? User:Zoe|^(talk) 08:17, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• After a great deal of researching, I have come to the conclusion that this school does not exist, and the article is a hoax perpetrated by Gateman. The Clovis Unified School District page at http://www.clovisusd.k12.ca.us/site_index.html does not list it, and no searches find it with oceanview or "ocean view". Delete. User:Zoe|^(talk) 08:25, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
  • His mission is accomplished, if the school doesn't exist. Are we certain this isn't confused with a school of this name in Oxnard? I assume from reading the link that Clovis is somewhere in Northern California, whereas Oxnard is near Simi Valley. A quick google search shows this school in Oxnard. In any case hoax postings do not make elementary schools any less notable. The nominator claims to have visited the school in question (perhaps a sock/meat puppet of Gateman) but I am perpetually reminded to assume good faith.--Nicodemus75 08:54, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - the school which does not exist. --rob 09:57, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. "Keep"-voters, get a grip. / Peter ^Isotalo 00:40, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: There is an Oceanview school in Eastern Passage, Nova Scotia [1], Norfolk, Virginia [2], Anchorage, Alaska [3], Albany, California [4], Arroyo Grande, California [5], and many, many other cities. According to several reliable databases, the one city which does not contain an Oceanview school is Clovis, California. Unfortunately, it can be said with certainty that this is in fact a hoax, and I sincerely hope that Gateman1997 is not the person behind such a dishonorable misdeed. Bahn Mi 07:40, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. WMMartin 17:19, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, either because it doesn't exist, or, if does exist, isn't the least bit notable. --Calton | Talk 06:57, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete incredible anyone would think this a worthwhile article --redstucco 09:44, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

• NOTE - This AFD was conducted for the fictional (HOAX) school titled Oceanview Elementary School, Clovis, California. There are numerous documented oceanviews (as said above), and this one was deleted because there is none in Clovis. This AFD does not in anyway apply to Oceanview Elementary School, Albany, California. Although, I see no great harm if it is deleted now, since a new stub can quickly be re-created, and will be. The creator of the hoax article changed the article title, to that of a real school, and edited the article, to put real info, just before the AFD closes, so that a real (not hoax) school is deleted. In any event, a proper article for the real school be made if this one is deleted. --rob 02:06, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
  • What are you talking about. This article was alwaya referring to Albany, I just was mistaken about the city.Gateman1997 02:57, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
    • You had a perfectly good chance earlier to claim that. Days ago, you were told there was proof the school didn't exist, and you didn't respond (while you were busy trying to delete other schools). It was obvious people were deleting, including me, because it wasn't real. Read the reasons for the last delete votes. Now, you suddenly come and claim it was a mistake only *after* I cited the hoax example in other AFDs. After AFDing countless elem schools, we're to beleive you suddenly voted to keep an unverified elmentary school. You even said "If it lacks a website I consider that more reason to keep in this case.", but suddenly, at the last minute, you find the web site for the school you meant. Others found the same web site, and rightly assumed it didn't apply. Plus, you changed more than just the title, you also changed other information at the same-time, to fit the real school. Anyway, everybody just needs look at the history of the article creation, information *originally* put in, edit comments, comments in AFD, and they can all make their own decision. It's pretty obvious. --rob 03:17, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Added: In the switch-over from "clovis" to "albany", other critical piecies of data were changed to match the official web site of the real schoolthis, like going from "K-8" to "K-5", changing the principal, and dropping the mascot. Above, you said only the city was a mistake. --rob 03:36, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.