Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norman Lethbridge Cowper

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The result of the debate was nomination withdrawn. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 20:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Norman Lethbridge Cowper

An upstanding member of Australian society, but I don't see anything encyclopedic in this bio NawlinWiki 00:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• • Sir Norman wins this one, nomination withdrawn per arguments below. NawlinWiki 15:41, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete not notable. Wikipedia is not an obituary site. Most obituaries reported in newspapers are of people not notable enough for Wikipedia Bwithh 01:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Delete per WP:BIO. No evidence of notability, only 7 Google results [1], some of which are from Wikipedia. Possibly also redirect to Australian Club--TBCTaLk?!? 02:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that Google hits are a relevent criteria for someone who lived before the internet era. Kevin 09:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Since the Law Society is still active, I believe that the Internet is still a relevant criteria for this discussion--TBCTaLk?!? 10:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Seems notable enough for mine. Eminent Australian lawyer and President of the Law Society. Lack of Google hits due to the fact that he died in 1987. Besides, the Google hits he does get include references in ministerial speeches at a lecture named in his honour. Capitalistroadster 02:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Further to the above, I have read an article in the Journal of the Royal Australian Historical Society published in 2000. He was the senior partner in Allen, Allen & Hemsley, Australia's leading law firm. In her book The Allens Affair, Valerie Lawson wrote Before the reign of Sir Norman Lethbridge Cowper, Allen Allen & Hemsley was a club. A good, solid gentlemen's club where the door was bolted to all but family and friends. After Norman Cowper swept the dust from the club's corners, the door was thrown open to talent. Aliens became the hub of a wheel, a network, reaching out to the world. Good schools and the right attitude still counted. But what mattered most was hard work and driven talent. Under the reign of Cowper, from the 1930s to the late 1960s, nepotism gave way to brilliance, drudgery gave way to energy.. Capitalistroadster 03:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 02:50, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep Some notability asserted (president of peak lawyer's body in NSW and other roles), would like to see more if there is anything. SM247^{My Talk} 03:31, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep. You're suggesting that a president of the Law Society is non-notable? I strongly disagree. Btw, he has 229 google hits, not seven. --David.Mestel 05:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment, I used his full name in my Google search, which would explain the difference in the number of results. Either way, 229 results is not a lot for someone notable. Also, Cowper is not the president of the Law Society, but of the New South Wales Law Society. (Note: Since I am not an expert on the subject, I can't tell if the latter is a different organization or merely a branch of the Law Society, though either way they seem to be different)--TBCTaLk?!? 09:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per above: president of the Law Society is notable. -- Synapse 06:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. He's not president of the highly notable Law Society, he's president of the not really notable New South Wales Law Society. -- GWO
  • Huh? Which Law Society are you talking about? That article makes it quite clear that the law societies in each jurisdiction are separate. JPD (talk) 10:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm talking about the New South Wales Law Society. Your question would be better addressed to those who said You're suggesting that a president of the Law Society is non-notable, or president of the Law Society is notable. -- GWO
      • You said "he's not president of the highly-notable Law Society", but there isn't only one Law Society, as that article says. He was president of the Law Society in his jurisdiction, which is notable. I see nothing to suggest that the people who said this was notable didn't understand perfectly well what "president of the Law Society" means - it is only delete votes that have suggested it could mean anything else, and at least one of those admitted that they didn't know what it was. JPD (talk) 11:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and cleanup notable enough for me hoopydink^{Conas tá tú?} 08:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Note. I have started work on cleaning it up and establishing notability. For the record, Allen Allen & Hemsley is now Allens Arthur Robinson and has offices in eight Asia-Pacific countries. [2]. Cowper played a critical role in its expansion. A Google News search shows that the company is actively involved in the merger of OneSteel and Smorgon Steel and representing Berkshire Hathaway subsidiary GeneralRe. [3]

Capitalistroadster 10:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per Capitalistroadster. President of a Law Society and a founder of the United Australia Party should be enough notability! JPD (talk) 10:43, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Capitalistroadster. Clearly meets our de facto inclusion standards. Not that that's saying much. — Haeleth Talk 12:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: cleanup and expand with more citations. Zos 18:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.